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Subject: bug#74412: 31.0.50; Treesit-outline conflict with outli in Emacs 31
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Before treesit.el went to set those variables, there have been already a
bunch of packages based on outline-minor-mode for partitioning code into
sections using comments only by highlighting headers and providing
navigation, folding, etc. inspired by emacs-lisp-mode's outline-regexp
settings.

Such ones enable a feel of "literate" programming by bringing
outline-mode features to code section delimited by headings (special
comments like ";;;", ";; *") using just comments regardless of code
semantic.

The above is my use of outline-minor-mode, maybe other people have
different use cases. treesit.el makes the configuration harder by the
additional variable setting. I wish there's a hook like
treesit-after-major-mode-setup-hook to let people fine-tune or even undo
settings, but of course treesit-disable-features to prevent any
execution from the start is still better.

Daanturo

On Nov 21 2024, at 1:50 am, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
> > Cc: "74412@debbugs.gnu.org" <74412@debbugs.gnu.org>
> > Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2024 00:06:41 +0700
> > From: Daan Ro <daanturo@gmail.com>
> >
> > Personally I also find treesit's decision to set outline variables
> > somewhat intrusive.
>
> I don't understand why. These variables are meant to be set by modes,
> so treesit.el uses them exactly as intended.
>


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<div>Before treesit.el went to set those variables, there have been alrea=
dy a</div><div>bunch of packages based on outline-minor-mode for partitio=
ning code into</div><div>sections using comments only by highlighting hea=
ders and providing</div><div>navigation, folding, etc. inspired by emacs-=
lisp-mode's outline-regexp</div><div>settings.</div><br><div>Such ones en=
able a feel of =22literate=22 programming by bringing</div><div>outline-m=
ode features to code section delimited by headings (special</div><div>com=
ments like =22;;;=22, =22;; *=22) using just comments regardless of code<=
/div><div>semantic.</div><br><div>The above is my use of outline-minor-mo=
de, maybe other people have</div><div>different use cases. treesit.el mak=
es the configuration harder by the</div><div>additional variable setting.=
 I wish there's a hook like</div><div>treesit-after-major-mode-setup-hook=
 to let people fine-tune or even undo</div><div>settings, but of course t=
reesit-disable-features to prevent any</div><div>execution from the start=
 is still better.</div><br><br><div><signature id=3D=22local-5a488b9c-f75=
f=22><table cellpadding=3D=220=22 cellspacing=3D=220=22><tbody><tr><td st=
yle=3D=22vertical-align:top=22></td><td><div>Daanturo</div><div style=3D=22=
font-size:0.9em;border-top:1px solid gray;min-width:250px;max-width:300px=
;margin-top:4px;padding-top:4px=22><div><div></div><div></div></div></div=
></td></tr></tbody></table></signature></div><div class=3D=22gmail=5Fquot=
e=5Fattribution=22>On Nov 21 2024, at 1:50 am, Eli Zaretskii &lt;eliz=40g=
nu.org&gt; wrote:</div><blockquote><div><div>&gt; Cc: =2274412=40debbugs.=
gnu.org=22 &lt;74412=40debbugs.gnu.org&gt;</div><div>&gt; Date: Thu, 21 N=
ov 2024 00:06:41 +0700</div><div>&gt; =46rom: Daan Ro &lt;daanturo=40gmai=
l.com&gt;</div><div>&gt;</div><div>&gt; Personally I also find treesit's =
decision to set outline variables</div><div>&gt; somewhat intrusive.</div=
><br><div>I don't understand why. These variables are meant to be set by =
modes,</div><div>so treesit.el uses them exactly as intended.</div></div>=
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