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X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:72697 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 14:22:00 -0800 >> From: Paul Eggert >> CC: Eli Zaretskii , 13149@debbugs.gnu.org >> >> On 02/01/13 14:14, Drew Adams wrote: >> >> > No, sorry. I don't build Emacs. If there is a Lisp change I can test that, but >> > not a C change. >> >> I suppose I could install this patch into the trunk instead, >> temporarily. Eli, do you think it'd be a good idea? > > Yes, definitely. > > I would also install something similar in verify-visited-file-modtime, > so that next time it happens we could see how different are the time > stamps. Now that 24.3 windows binaries have been released I observe exactly the same problem on my XP box. I don't know how to reproduce it 100%. It happens sporadically, but it happens. And yes, my user files are on a FAT32 partition. Is there a fix for it, e.g. some customization? Should I avoid FAT32? Or do we have to live with it? -- Uwe