From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: nyc4bos@aol.com Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#11205: 24.0.95; starttls-use-gnutls no longer being honored Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 16:07:39 -0400 Message-ID: <84fwby88vo.fsf@aol.com> References: <8462d9k9lr.fsf@aol.com> <847gxomgpf.fsf@aol.com> <7j4nsrtrc0.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1334952526 2415 80.91.229.3 (20 Apr 2012 20:08:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 20:08:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 11205@debbugs.gnu.org To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 20 22:08:45 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SLK8L-0000Hi-7G for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 22:08:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50505 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SLK8K-0000ZY-GY for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 16:08:44 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38662) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SLK8G-0000WA-ON for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 16:08:42 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SLK8C-0005nT-G2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 16:08:40 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:43655) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SLK8C-0005nC-A3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 16:08:36 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SLK8c-0005BB-1X for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 16:09:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: nyc4bos@aol.com Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 20:09:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11205 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug Original-Received: via spool by 11205-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11205.133495251419875 (code B ref 11205); Fri, 20 Apr 2012 20:09:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 11205) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Apr 2012 20:08:34 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44689 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SLK86-0005AO-Fh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 16:08:34 -0400 Original-Received: from imr-ma01.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.39]:49077) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SLK80-0005A8-3H for 11205@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 16:08:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.68]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q3KK7loM026393; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 16:07:47 -0400 Original-Received: from STATION03 (173-13-86-254-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.13.86.254]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 7277EE000253; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 16:07:46 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:54:25 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.95 (windows-nt) x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1334952467; bh=BlcHYEOxN17yTHq5bcsuVQRwCOyjgXZeozqMOs//ckg=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=yZrkQqF9DCGqD14mo9tyPAudLXPD52OesDejtAxlBm6mruEZ5xSiYR6Aq2CAXL+LS 5j1Po1k8L7rmqQjg6FsZJgjeEA7daoaIQfmWMOb96VjmsJPgbavotjEPb9ZzznpNNr +Bkfalr/3M7XnoS5u3rZEVR4gLLwZLOgBiycSgSI= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:416272736:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29444f91c2122522 X-AOL-IP: 173.13.86.254 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:59329 Archived-At: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: > Glenn Morris writes: > >> You could always try redefining gnutls-available-p to return nil, eg: >> >> (defalias 'gnutls-available-p 'ignore) > > Yes. In any case, this is neither a regression, nor a bug. The > variable in question controls what external program is used; not whether > to use an external program or not. So I'm closing this bug report. The variable, `starttls-use-gnutls' docstring says: "*Whether to use GnuTLS instead of the `starttls' command." So if I'm understanding the docstring right, if it is nil, whatever is the `starttls' command should be used, NOT GnuTLS. [The defcustom really says: (defcustom starttls-use-gnutls (not (executable-find starttls-program)))] This appears to me to be a regression since setting `starttls-use-gnustls' to nil still uses GnuTLS (when `starttls-program' is accessible), unlike Emacs 23.4. At a minimum, this is a documentation bug with regard to Emacs 24. Can you explain to me why should a user now jump through more hoops to use another program such as OpenSSL, in order to use TLS? Setting `starttls-use-gnutls' to nil works just fine in Emacs 23.4 Thanks.