From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#15899: 24.3.50; regression: `region' overlay is lower priority than default Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 08:24:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <84d6f022-f243-4198-8c69-4162646d91f9@default> References: <<20137354-f982-4314-9c09-21a5fbc36557@default> <83ob5mi02j.fsf@gnu.org>> < <83bo1liv80.fsf@gnu.org>> <<87mwl58yvc.fsf@yandex.ru> <834n7dipnq.fsf@gnu.org> <5286A1AD.1080106@yandex.ru>> <<83wqk8hgtf.fsf@gnu.org> <52874820.2020601@yandex.ru>> <<83ob5kh9nb.fsf@gnu.org>> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1384619127 30592 80.91.229.3 (16 Nov 2013 16:25:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 16:25:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 15899@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii , Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 16 17:25:29 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VhigW-0005go-Ee for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 17:25:24 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36229 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VhigV-0002lv-VB for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 11:25:23 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34754) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VhigK-0002kv-GB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 11:25:21 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VhigB-0006lA-Ua for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 11:25:12 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:43331) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VhigB-0006kU-Rw for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 11:25:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VhigA-0003Tb-LE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 11:25:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 16:25:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15899 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 15899-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15899.138461909913354 (code B ref 15899); Sat, 16 Nov 2013 16:25:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 15899) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Nov 2013 16:24:59 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57350 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Vhig5-0003TI-5m for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 11:24:58 -0500 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:18721) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Vhig2-0003T5-VX for 15899@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 11:24:55 -0500 Original-Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id rAGGOm0Q012849 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 16 Nov 2013 16:24:49 GMT Original-Received: from aserz7022.oracle.com (aserz7022.oracle.com [141.146.126.231]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rAGGOlKJ013104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 16 Nov 2013 16:24:48 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0020.oracle.com (abhmp0020.oracle.com [141.146.116.26]) by aserz7022.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rAGGOlAn010920; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 16:24:47 GMT In-Reply-To: <<83ob5kh9nb.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:80647 Archived-At: > > I don't think so. The region overlay priority won't change, even > > if people decide to shoot themselves in the foot and raise > > priorities of overlays inappropriately. >=20 > That's not the race I had in mind. What I had in mind was users > complaining about their favorite overlay-based features being > obscured by the region, lobbying the maintainers to increase the > priorities of those overlays above the region (and possibly also > above the easy-mark overlay), or increase the priority of the region > overlay; then other users complaining about the effects of that, > and so on and so forth ad nauseam. How can you even assume that > the "region overlay priority won't change", given the possibility > and enough pressure from users? User complaint escalation is the escalation you fear? That's a new one. Emacs Dev has never had much trouble resisting user complaints to change defaults. And foreclosing such debate is never the solution anyway. Just set the default priority for the region overlay to a value close to but lower than the isearch overlays. If there are future suggestions to tweak default priorities then that will be discussed concretely when it comes up. If users - or you - have good reasons to change default priorities, then those can be adjusted. > Once out of the bottle, this genie cannot be easily put back. Once face `region' is used for an overlay and not a text property, the overlay genie is out of the bottle, yes. New possibilities arrive, and some old possibilities leave.