From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#13133: 24.2.90; scroll-conservatively is too coarse a setting Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 08:30:14 +0200 Message-ID: <83zk1mbert.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87wqwqwpnf.fsf@vbx.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1355121097 589 80.91.229.3 (10 Dec 2012 06:31:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 06:31:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 13133@debbugs.gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 10 07:31:50 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Thwu2-0000Ua-DY for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2012 07:31:46 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51509 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Thwtp-0003fO-Uy for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2012 01:31:33 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38482) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Thwtm-0003fI-Hd for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2012 01:31:31 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Thwtl-0005Zb-3g for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2012 01:31:30 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:52735) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Thwtl-0005ZX-0X for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2012 01:31:29 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ThwuI-0001Bm-7F for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2012 01:32:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 06:32:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 13133 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 13133-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B13133.13551210724513 (code B ref 13133); Mon, 10 Dec 2012 06:32:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 13133) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Dec 2012 06:31:12 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34752 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ThwtK-0001AK-VD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2012 01:31:11 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:61920) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ThwtH-0001A4-Ig for 13133@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2012 01:31:01 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MES00400Y14S000@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 13133@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2012 08:30:24 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MES004G7Y2NR610@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Mon, 10 Dec 2012 08:30:24 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <87wqwqwpnf.fsf@vbx.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:68260 Archived-At: > From: Dmitry Gutov > Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 07:29:40 +0400 > > I think this value is used in contexts that are different enough to > behave differently in this respect. > > Examples: > 1) I want help-button-action to bring me to the function's definition, > and I generally want in the middle of the screen. Same for imenu, etc. > 2) I really don't want to see empty space after the contents in the > compilation window. But as much as half of the window may be empty right > after compilation because of the point recentering. > 3) Ideally, if I move around with next/previous-line, I don't want > sudden jumps and recenterings. Same thing with beginning/end-of-defun > (so setting scroll-conservatively to a value larger than 0 is not a real > solution). I'm sorry, but the problem you describing is entirely unclear to me. You didn't say what value, if any, did you set scroll-conservatively to, nor if you have any other scroll-* variables customized to non-default values. If you don't customize anything, Emacs always re-centers when point goes out of sight. When point is re-centered, I don't think you can ever have half-window of empty space, because of the way re-centering works. Given this lack of information, I don't understand how you get the adverse effects in your 3 examples. Please elaborate, perhaps separately about each of the examples. Thanks.