From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#19068: Mail file vars aren't derived from customized message-directory Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 11:06:58 +0200 Message-ID: <83zj90ljrh.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83r3udmuvp.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1422608896 1956 80.91.229.3 (30 Jan 2015 09:08:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 09:08:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 19068@debbugs.gnu.org To: Kelly Dean Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 30 10:08:13 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YH7Yj-0002PK-9n for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 10:08:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35590 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YH7Yh-0006Nc-2f for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 04:08:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39613) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YH7Yc-0006NL-Lz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 04:08:07 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YH7YZ-0002Px-CQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 04:08:06 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:38278) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YH7YZ-0002Pt-8r for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 04:08:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YH7YY-00034O-FA; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 04:08:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 09:08:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19068 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 19068-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19068.142260883111732 (code B ref 19068); Fri, 30 Jan 2015 09:08:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 19068) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jan 2015 09:07:11 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57750 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YH7Xj-00033A-Ca for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 04:07:11 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:63275) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YH7Xf-00032Z-S8 for 19068@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 04:07:09 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NIZ00E00FH7MT00@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for 19068@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 11:07:01 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NIZ00E00FZOI4A0@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 11:07:01 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:98895 Archived-At: > From: Kelly Dean > CC: 19068@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 07:11:52 +0000 > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >> Also, > >> grep -r "~/Mail/" emacs-24.4/lisp/ | grep 'el:' > >> gives 19 hits, all of which are inappropriate if ~/Mail isn't supposed to be hardcoded. If ~/Mail is supposed to be hardcoded, then the message-directory variable should be removed, to avoid misleading users. > > > > This is a red herring: all of these hits are either in comments or in > > default values of other defcustoms. > > If a user renames his ⌜Mail⌝ directory to ⌜mail⌝, then he'll want all the things that previously used ⌜Mail⌝ to use ⌜mail⌝. Manually changing them all is tedious and error-prone, so it'd be nice to have one place to make the change. In Emacs, message-directory advertises itself as that place. That's a separate issue. I'm not at all sure the user will always want to rename all of them, but we could offer an option to do that.