From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#22564: Fundamental mode isn't fundamental enough. Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 21:26:01 +0200 Message-ID: <83zivft0vq.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20160205125559.GC7727@acm.fritz.box> <834mdnusem.fsf@gnu.org> <20160205151327.GE7727@acm.fritz.box> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1454700441 32121 80.91.229.3 (5 Feb 2016 19:27:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 19:27:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 22564@debbugs.gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 05 20:27:10 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aRm29-0002by-Ek for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 20:27:09 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50096 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRm28-0007cD-IP for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 14:27:08 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55182) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRm25-0007c5-IZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 14:27:06 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRm22-0000cq-7n for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 14:27:05 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:54363) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRm22-0000cm-4x for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 14:27:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRm22-0000Ay-0x for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 14:27:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 19:27:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22564 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 22564-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22564.1454700393639 (code B ref 22564); Fri, 05 Feb 2016 19:27:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 22564) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Feb 2016 19:26:33 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34719 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRm1Z-0000AF-KA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 14:26:33 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:35934) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRm1X-0000A3-SX for 22564@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 14:26:32 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRm1P-0000aI-I0 for 22564@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 14:26:26 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:58953) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRm1P-0000aE-EW; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 14:26:23 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1968 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aRm1O-0002tx-No; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 14:26:23 -0500 In-reply-to: <20160205151327.GE7727@acm.fritz.box> (message from Alan Mackenzie on Fri, 5 Feb 2016 15:13:27 +0000) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:112514 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 15:13:27 +0000 > Cc: 22564@debbugs.gnu.org > From: Alan Mackenzie > > > You want to turn off electric-indent-mode, I think. > > Sort of. But this is beyond the capabilities of a newby (discovering > that, I mean). If they cannot, they will ask. > > > This is surely a bug. > > > No, it's a deliberate feature, AFAIU. > > You mean, there should no longer be a vanilla fundamental mode? We still have Fundamental mode. But AFAIR no one has ever promised that Fundamental mode will not have any features turned on by default. I think you are misinterpreting what Fundamental means. Maybe we need a new mode for that, something we never had before.