From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#24197: Removing lisp/play from standard Emacs package Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 19:07:12 +0300 Message-ID: <83ziokfw0f.fsf@gnu.org> References: Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1470845301 13552 195.159.176.226 (10 Aug 2016 16:08:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 16:08:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 24197@debbugs.gnu.org To: Otso Rajala Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 10 18:08:17 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bXW3C-0003H4-0N for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 10 Aug 2016 18:08:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42627 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bXW38-0002gU-W8 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 10 Aug 2016 12:08:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55043) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bXW33-0002eQ-Rf for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Aug 2016 12:08:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bXW30-0002OT-DY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Aug 2016 12:08:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:54774) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bXW30-0002OP-A0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Aug 2016 12:08:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bXW30-0003SZ-6V for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Aug 2016 12:08:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 16:08:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 24197 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 24197-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B24197.147084525813268 (code B ref 24197); Wed, 10 Aug 2016 16:08:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 24197) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Aug 2016 16:07:38 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52486 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bXW2c-0003Rw-Ba for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Aug 2016 12:07:38 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:35759) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bXW2a-0003Rk-Vh for 24197@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Aug 2016 12:07:37 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bXW2S-0002Gv-8h for 24197@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Aug 2016 12:07:31 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:42558) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bXW2S-0002Ga-5O; Wed, 10 Aug 2016 12:07:28 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4108 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bXW2Q-0003fw-87; Wed, 10 Aug 2016 12:07:26 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Otso Rajala on Wed, 10 Aug 2016 16:43:13 +0300) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:122037 Archived-At: > From: Otso Rajala > Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 16:43:13 +0300 > > Solution: > 1) Make these toys in lisp/play optionally available from > elpa.gnu.org/packages, but do not ship them by default within > Emacs. > > Advantage of solution: > 1) All problems go away > 2) Simple lisp game sources now easily accessible right from common browser > for fun & inspiration without having to download 56M tar.gz editor with them. > 3) Fair towards other toys, considering sokoban and wpuzzle are there but don't > ship by default. Disadvantage: you lose me as Emacs developer, because Emacs without Tetris and Psychotherapist is not worth its bits for me.