From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#13473: 24.3.50; Display Tables doc bug Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 20:06:01 +0200 Message-ID: <83zi4bwinq.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87fw20oyir.fsf@rosalinde.fritz.box> <878tbw9xn2.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <87inazk869.fsf@gmx.net> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1518631540 17276 195.159.176.226 (14 Feb 2018 18:05:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 18:05:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 13473@debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@users.sourceforge.net To: Stephen Berman Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 14 19:05:35 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1em1Qa-0002ct-AG for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 19:05:08 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45584 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1em1Sc-0000XK-4U for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 13:07:14 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53900) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1em1SU-0000WQ-Du for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 13:07:07 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1em1SQ-0007y7-Ag for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 13:07:06 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:35232) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1em1SQ-0007y1-5f for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 13:07:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1em1SP-0003Sl-Uy for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 13:07:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 18:07:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 13473 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 13473-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B13473.151863158013265 (code B ref 13473); Wed, 14 Feb 2018 18:07:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 13473) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Feb 2018 18:06:20 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43129 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1em1Rk-0003Rt-6r for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 13:06:20 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:34526) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1em1Rh-0003Re-3R for 13473@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 13:06:18 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1em1RY-0007kP-2I for 13473@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 13:06:12 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:41821) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1em1RX-0007kH-UF; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 13:06:07 -0500 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1292 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1em1RX-0003HX-D1; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 13:06:07 -0500 In-reply-to: <87inazk869.fsf@gmx.net> (message from Stephen Berman on Wed, 14 Feb 2018 14:33:18 +0100) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:143280 Archived-At: > From: Stephen Berman > Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 14:33:18 +0100 > Cc: 13473@debbugs.gnu.org > > On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 20:18:41 -0500 Noam Postavsky wrote: > > > Stephen Berman writes: > > > >> The glyph used to draw the border between side-by-side windows (the > >> default is @samp{|}). @xref{Splitting Windows}. This takes effect only > >> when there are no scroll bars; if scroll bars are supported and in use, > >> ! a scroll bar separates the two windows. On graphical terminals, Emacs > >> ! uses a thin line to indicate the border, so the display table has no > >> ! effect. > >> @end table > > > > If it's only effective on a tty display, then is the scroll bar > > reference irrelevant? AFAIK, there are never scroll bars on a tty > > display anyway. > > I think that's right, so the above is misleading (with or without the > change). Careful here: the same could be said about the truncation and continuation glyphs (and in fact, the manual actually did say that), but it's incorrect, because those glyphs _are_ used on GUI frames when the user disables the fringes. So any such "irrelevancy" must be qualified by "currently" etc., because no one prevents us from implementing a feature whereby they will be used. I will soon install the following: @item 5 The glyph used to draw the border between side-by-side windows (the default is @samp{|}). @xref{Splitting Windows}. This currently has effect only on text terminals; on graphical terminals, if vertical scroll bars are supported and in use, a scroll bar separates the two windows, and if there are no vertical scroll bars and no dividers (@pxref{Windows Dividers}), Emacs uses a thin line to indicate the border.