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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net>
Cc: a.s@realize.ch, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, 20623@debbugs.gnu.org,
	sledergerber@gmx.net
Subject: bug#20623: XML and HTML files with encoding/charset="utf-8" declaration loose BOM; Coding system is reset from utf-8-with-signature to utf-8 on save
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2018 13:45:17 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83zhxtkwqq.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180811101341.GA4800@zira.vinc17.org> (message from Vincent Lefevre on Sat, 11 Aug 2018 12:13:41 +0200)

> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2018 12:13:41 +0200
> From: Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net>
> Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, rgm@gnu.org, sledergerber@gmx.net,
> 	a.s@realize.ch, 20623@debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> On 2018-08-11 12:15:31 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > In this case, I cannot but express my extreme surprise to see such a
> > minor issue described as "grave".  The alleged data loss is minor, if
> > it exists at all (the BOM is not data important for the user,
> 
> You're completely wrong. The presence of BOM or not is very important
> for some applications, such as Firefox (not to determine the charset,
> but the MIME type of local files).

Please provide the details, including the use case, if possible.  I'm
still in the dark regarding the importance of the BOM in UTF-8 encoded
HTML stuff.

> It can be repaired, but the problems are the user doesn't know
> what's going on and this breaks things.

I agree about the user not knowing, but that doesn't yet qualify as
"data loss", which has an widely accepted meaning.

> If some package removed the execute permission of some utility in
> /bin, this would also be a grave bug, though it can easily been
> repaired.

Well, I disagree about the "grave" part, because that means the
package is unusable, causes data loss, or introduces a security hole
allowing access to the user account.  None of that is true in the case
in point.





  reply	other threads:[~2018-08-11 10:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-05-21 18:50 bug#20623: XML and HTML files with encoding/charset="utf-8" declaration loose BOM; Coding system is reset from utf-8-with-signature to utf-8 on save Simon Ledergerber
2015-05-21 19:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]   ` <555E44EB.6070604@gmx.net>
2015-05-22  7:11     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-22 13:21       ` Simon Ledergerber
2016-10-12 21:44         ` Alain Schneble
2017-12-04 16:54           ` Glenn Morris
2017-12-04 17:38             ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-04 20:28               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-04 21:08                 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-10 19:17                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-15  9:08                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-01 18:07                     ` bug#20623: XML and HTML files with encoding/charset="utf-8" declaration lose " Glenn Morris
2018-08-01 18:41                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-07 19:14                         ` Glenn Morris
2018-08-11 12:45                     ` bug#20623: XML and HTML files with encoding/charset="utf-8" declaration loose " Stefan Monnier
2018-08-11 13:54                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-12  0:04                         ` Stefan Monnier
2018-08-12 19:07                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-08  9:47               ` Vincent Lefevre
2018-08-08 14:45                 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-08-11  9:15                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-11 10:13                   ` Vincent Lefevre
2018-08-11 10:45                     ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2018-08-11 15:41                       ` Vincent Lefevre
2018-08-11 16:27                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-12  1:34                           ` Vincent Lefevre
2018-08-12  0:11                         ` Stefan Monnier
2018-08-12  0:58                           ` Vincent Lefevre
2015-05-22 15:22   ` Stefan Monnier
2015-05-22 15:26     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-22 21:51       ` Stefan Monnier
2015-05-23  6:44         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-23 17:11           ` Simon Ledergerber
2015-05-23 17:20             ` Eli Zaretskii

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