From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#400: 23.0.60; C-h v should pick up lispified name in Customize Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 09:05:55 +0300 Message-ID: <83zgr17fwc.fsf@gnu.org> References: <007f01c8cca9$3cbbf770$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> <875z8rum4k.fsf@gnus.org> <83o8mjnf5n.fsf@gnu.org> <83fssuany1.fsf@gnu.org> <83pmry8fv4.fsf@gnu.org> <83ilxq8dhb.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4714"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 400@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 22 08:07:16 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mdnhz-00010F-W9 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 08:07:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39930 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mdnhy-0005S0-IZ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 02:07:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48290) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mdnhm-0005Pc-9a for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 02:07:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:47587) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mdnhm-0007ND-0k for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 02:07:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mdnhl-0003GG-RT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 02:07:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 06:07:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 400 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 400-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B400.163488277712443 (code B ref 400); Fri, 22 Oct 2021 06:07:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 400) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Oct 2021 06:06:17 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59130 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mdnh2-0003Ec-VQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 02:06:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:50676) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mdnh1-0003EO-Lj for 400@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 02:06:16 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:35286) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mdngv-0005Nc-Ve; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 02:06:09 -0400 Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=1917 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mdngv-00063I-5F; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 02:06:09 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Thu, 21 Oct 2021 12:45:15 -0700) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:217847 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 12:45:15 -0700 > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 400@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> No, you can customize it directly from `customize-group'. > > > > When you do, I'm okay with fully expanding the doc string of the > > variable which you are customizing from the groups buffer. Would that > > solve the issue at hand? > > I don't think I understand what this proposal means. Could you perhaps > spell it out more explicitly? To customize a variable from the groups buffer, you click or type RET on the arrow to expand its customization form, right? However, the doc string of the variable is still shown in its one-line variant. I'm saying that showing the full doc string as result of that could be a sufficient solution. > >> But I'm not sure what you mean by "complicating commands" given that the > >> proposal AFAIU is to introduce a specific `customize-describe-variable' > >> bound to `C-h v' that handles also the unlispified names. > > > > How would you implement that without complicating the command? The > > unlispified name is just several English words. > > Maybe we are miscommunicating. I mean that if we add a new command > `customize-describe-variable', it won't complicate `describe-variable'. But then you usurp the "C-h v" key binding for another command, and the user cannot invoke the original Help command easily? > >> For example, "wontfix" could also be used meaning: "yes, it's an issue > >> but it's not one we consider worth fixing, if you care enough send a > >> patch and we will reconsider". > > > > Exactly. > > This message has been received; I'll try to apply it with the necessary > restraint. I expect that you will let me know if I don't. ;-) Thanks, will certainly do (although I don't expect that to be needed too much).