From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#56291: 29.0.50; version-control versus gnus-backup-startup-file Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 19:05:38 +0300 Message-ID: <83zghv5ub1.fsf@gnu.org> References: <62574.1656464407@alto> <4712.1656513508@alto> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20645"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 56291@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org To: Mike Kupfer Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 29 18:09:47 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1o6aGB-0005Ah-9a for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2022 18:09:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43962 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o6aG9-0006IM-Sr for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2022 12:09:45 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41464) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o6aCZ-0000nd-Mj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2022 12:06:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:37867) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o6aCY-0007b2-1l for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2022 12:06:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o6aCX-0007cW-U2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2022 12:06:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 16:06:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 56291 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo Original-Received: via spool by 56291-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B56291.165651874029262 (code B ref 56291); Wed, 29 Jun 2022 16:06:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 56291) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Jun 2022 16:05:40 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59997 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o6aCB-0007bt-MU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2022 12:05:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:56380) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o6aCA-0007bh-Nh for 56291@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2022 12:05:39 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:60826) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o6aC3-0007YH-B0; Wed, 29 Jun 2022 12:05:31 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=zOnNfGJDIlAnSVCJ/CejyHUhqNDKO8Jp6mXMUQ6ywug=; b=Sp/wZYumk9dXsRWKiVAd zaI4wn3rhL8iyvXx/kFFtbJzhCINXUE+sx3LncAK9qjfnnYdzKh+rew5htnlOaViTJkQijbxABo9j jwVdUmoknqfleoWpjGGokPqVlFbXt5fovkzmRNUcxbJIXXVcaKZ9bb/3BSnrdmc9IvhMCCRMbXFtO 3H+4SNgH7QvYgnD9I+0mf7VEovVWKXn4gCEj654OwgbkqilqbDqMe+2jHY/zaSNmEKrEev+AO8NZw hZMt6WTkHTs/iLeLfGAm0zeQKn80VwhbZGp6cSPxNpjRqjmaAGCob2yf3u1kK/AJSyVe7xO1I8KHI HoB9yLcD0f/AWw==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2371 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o6aC2-0007mV-Q1; Wed, 29 Jun 2022 12:05:31 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4712.1656513508@alto> (message from Mike Kupfer on Wed, 29 Jun 2022 07:38:28 -0700) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:235649 Archived-At: > Cc: 56291@debbugs.gnu.org > From: Mike Kupfer > Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 07:38:28 -0700 > > Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > > > Mike Kupfer writes: > > > Some packages, such as Rmail, override the global setting of > > > ‘version-control’ in this manner. > > > > I don't think that's correct, though? rmail-mode doesn't use file > > variables, it does: > > > > (setq-local version-control 'never) > > > > So it doesn't set version-control "in this manner", as far as I can tell? > > Fair enough. How about > > The usual way to set this variable is globally, through your init > file or the customization buffer. However, you can set > ‘version-control’ locally in an individual buffer to control the > making of backups for that buffer’s file (*note Locals::). Some > packages, such as Rmail, override the global setting of > ‘version-control’ this way. You can also have Emacs set > ‘version-control’ locally whenever you visit a given file (*note File > Variables::). > > ? The point of the example is to illustrate the local setting of the variable, so talking about packages that set the global value misses the point, and shouldn't be there. If Rmail is a bad example, then we should find a better one, and mention only those.