From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#64871: 30.0.50; [FR] Add command and menu item to open user init file Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 15:48:37 +0300 Message-ID: <83zg3hldui.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87jzun7x34.fsf@localhost> <871qguxirf.fsf@yahoo.com> <83sf99ncfi.fsf@gnu.org> <87tttpx60o.fsf@yahoo.com> <83lef1naev.fsf@gnu.org> <87h6ppwn9f.fsf@yahoo.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="28689"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: yantar92@posteo.net, 64871@debbugs.gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 27 15:07:33 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qP0iJ-0007Gw-Tf for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2023 15:07:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qP0PX-0005TK-IS; Thu, 27 Jul 2023 08:48:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qP0PS-0005Sg-5C for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2023 08:48:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qP0PR-0008Hz-TI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2023 08:48:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qP0PR-0002rx-Ph for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2023 08:48:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 12:48:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 64871 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 64871-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B64871.169046207610989 (code B ref 64871); Thu, 27 Jul 2023 12:48:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 64871) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jul 2023 12:47:56 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40868 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qP0PM-0002r8-0i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2023 08:47:56 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40882) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qP0PI-0002qD-FA for 64871@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2023 08:47:54 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qP0PC-0008Gc-Ic; Thu, 27 Jul 2023 08:47:46 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=50NAFvT3j5ZbQB5ccjvrC3JTkckGvZ/l4rOuJgfkAkE=; b=F0lgfG9v2wnF J6OiLKouwetEtT7t7mTdG99mRT2647oX0ysDw/ips/HVbNBAcSt7/y48EbPEoImp9YSSuvYZngfb8 RlApb1Carn8cVz2HC31XDvIacAzVrk2usDO5S5mXbkeRW/ByaFMdtcNHkViX9MEQ3t2oCnoucaefu Kxrsezdu/6mqOJJhfepErmD9kxvC24MNgvfKbVHxIQA52z1ORjyOmPWHZqPJc+c+/UupOFR0GG2YM l7wKuSiY/I/UwA5yzBgof+Zo0ukxmsZdI1xTyYEk8bu32T41QS/vVF3+lPeimiH//TiIlkQfeA2qO YrOyQk6nKj2RZCwX8a6oMw==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qP0PC-00066G-26; Thu, 27 Jul 2023 08:47:46 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87h6ppwn9f.fsf@yahoo.com> (message from Po Lu on Thu, 27 Jul 2023 20:29:48 +0800) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:266186 Archived-At: > From: Po Lu > Cc: yantar92@posteo.net, 64871@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 20:29:48 +0800 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > Are people who want to customize Emacs likely to use the > > Options->Customize Emacs menu? If yes, why not have this one > > additional item there? If no, why do we have that menu at all? > > Users who need to customize Emacs don't necessarily need help to find > their initialization files. Not necessarily, but possibly? Not every menu item we have is "necessarily" used. They are there because they could be useful enough, that's all. > > So we are now using a smartphone as the reference platform for making > > UI decisions? Smartphones might need a whole new approach to the > > Emacs UI, and a bunch of very different UI decisions. They should not > > dictate what our UI looks like on desktop and laptop machines. > > Actually, the amount of horizontal display area available on smartphones > tends to reflect that of low-resolution desktop displays and computer > terminals. Emacs UI currently works well on either. "Low-resolution" meaning what? 640x480? It isn't an accident that HTML has special meta-elements devised for mobile devices. If browsers need that, I'm quite sure Emacs will sooner or later need something similar as well. > > When did you last look at modern word processors and their tool bars? > > They are, in fact, much more crowded than ours. > > Nevertheless, each of those items is used frequently enough to justify > their placement there. Not IME, no. Many tool-bar buttons go entirely unused.