From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#68246: 30.0.50; Add non-TS mode as extra parent of TS modes Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2024 17:00:34 +0200 Message-ID: <83zfx6d4kt.fsf@gnu.org> References: <838r53vlo5.fsf@gnu.org> <831qavvcbo.fsf@gnu.org> <83a5phskd5.fsf@gnu.org> <83h6joqz0t.fsf@gnu.org> <834jfoq86m.fsf@gnu.org> <831qarrbjx.fsf@gnu.org> <87a5p84nlh.fsf@gmail.com> <83edekfldq.fsf@gnu.org> <871qajfpr2.fsf@gmail.com> <83cyu2eppn.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="14414"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 68246@debbugs.gnu.org, casouri@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca To: =?UTF-8?Q?Jo=C3=A3o_?= =?UTF-8?Q?T=C3=A1vora?= Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 15 16:01:28 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rPOSu-0003c5-N0 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 16:01:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rPOSY-00056a-Nn; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 10:01:06 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rPOSV-000565-RM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 10:01:04 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rPOSU-0008Lu-Ll for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 10:01:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rPOST-00040Q-Pt for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 10:01:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2024 15:01:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 68246 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 68246-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B68246.170533085714969 (code B ref 68246); Mon, 15 Jan 2024 15:01:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 68246) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jan 2024 15:00:57 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46678 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rPOSO-0003st-PA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 10:00:57 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50248) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rPOSL-0003gH-VA for 68246@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 10:00:54 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rPOSG-0008Km-Ma; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 10:00:48 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=pEhTimqEW7BP7pZvd5OMtl3C1lecx0JN2EmTJLTVCkU=; b=ZONPZim23DanLbZGPk9f SK+W8oCHRKKji4YmZysWJApNYouzwVUKxtnATUkLrxh2jmEMAr6ljyuJrBRhwICOthrT+h+NzMzG9 q0kpjXdDq0ZNhidohgIPUtKZkBlm7haMwoaSJUm95lBjIbIbchId91PbNBuMrCnu3TTTJQz/5cbH4 Lo1T+yBnrAyIyDRqDuUsWgkMk2McqjD7ItC1XzswBb76RTepIOm9ZRzIeAYDW73D3PSBFT78toePR BsSpH8wkozNaJNx7CpWxZUyHtiPGX2I6P930PUr8Tg+YwoHHwamh2xN9YaoazHvQ+cJhNVojpu1oJ IX+LJT3j3FagNA==; In-Reply-To: (message from =?UTF-8?Q?Jo=C3=A3o_?= =?UTF-8?Q?T=C3=A1vora?= on Mon, 15 Jan 2024 14:45:41 +0000) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:278286 Archived-At: > From: João Távora > Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2024 14:45:41 +0000 > Cc: casouri@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, 68246@debbugs.gnu.org > > On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 12:38 PM Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > It's our only reliable instrument of getting feedback for our > > decisions. > > It's an instrument among others. It's not particularly reliable. You are entitled to your opinions, but mine is different in this matter. > > > An empty base mode is useful just for its hook and its behaviour in > > > dir-locals, for example. > > > > No, it is completely useless, and we shouldn't introduce such modes. > > One more time. Thanks, I understood the first time. I just don't agree with your conclusions. And I already explained why, so at this point let's agree to disagree, again. > There is this crystal clear evidence of usefulness being laid > in front of you and yet you claim adamantly it is "completely > useless". With no justification for the statement. Because > of course, there is no such thing. Right. The stream of ad-hominem and sarcastic nonsense again. Sorry, I forgot that I already bowed out of the attempts to discuss this with you. Mea culpa.