From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#68246: 30.0.50; Add non-TS mode as extra parent of TS modes Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2024 09:46:00 +0200 Message-ID: <83zfx0tpl3.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83edeww73j.fsf@gnu.org> <83o7dzvrmf.fsf@gnu.org> <838r53vlo5.fsf@gnu.org> <831qavvcbo.fsf@gnu.org> <83bk9wq9ho.fsf@gnu.org> <3C29CB93-925C-4C65-BCEA-6506F2D9E4BD@gmail.com> <78523720-6dc8-459a-9a9d-2af38efdb7da@gutov.dev> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="26542"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: joaotavora@gmail.com, 68246@debbugs.gnu.org, casouri@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, stefankangas@gmail.com To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 20 08:47:19 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rR64U-0006ip-RM for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 20 Jan 2024 08:47:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rR64D-0002yl-AO; Sat, 20 Jan 2024 02:47:01 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rR64B-0002ya-Vw for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Jan 2024 02:47:00 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rR64B-0002xU-Nr for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Jan 2024 02:46:59 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rR64E-0004pp-DE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Jan 2024 02:47:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2024 07:47:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 68246 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 68246-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B68246.170573679217021 (code B ref 68246); Sat, 20 Jan 2024 07:47:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 68246) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Jan 2024 07:46:32 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60777 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rR63j-0004PN-Ik for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Jan 2024 02:46:32 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38704) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rR63g-0004ID-FQ for 68246@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Jan 2024 02:46:29 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rR63Y-0002le-Ao; Sat, 20 Jan 2024 02:46:20 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=BgRReep68XZeb2nIHRLzMJi3q4VpUQzexexr0VruyNk=; b=cS2H8efOoiC+T7GlPlCG AEd4B0+NUsD9HJmhddtES6q3SN2l60HC3LcQGyHujLgZbkL7mPqQUE6HzolJLLKWPHViuCjuCXCWO DI9WNwUfrVkDEPH709o2DpXON3RxSUzuQOaFo9Ovfed2dgylfENs8D2hG59aiEoRsNlRQdrPHNM92 YpNiGWABo3/IQZ28ScOjMiDVPs0Y6MWu1GLzOuPVhcq/9A6HD+sc//TQiiZFlvmuKxpjNK9bJvstm t5AVGp/BuhYdBjJshhPsPE/bVOh/s9S9xeIBOizqgWMR4/2SLXqHgxTbC5Og/+HyBXZfZcoSx2Q1D UcrpL9/ld//awg==; In-Reply-To: <78523720-6dc8-459a-9a9d-2af38efdb7da@gutov.dev> (message from Dmitry Gutov on Sat, 20 Jan 2024 07:47:27 +0200) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:278568 Archived-At: > Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2024 07:47:27 +0200 > Cc: 68246@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , > Stefan Kangas , joaotavora@gmail.com > From: Dmitry Gutov > > On 19/01/2024 07:12, Yuan Fu wrote: > > > > I don’t have anything insightful to contribute, but want to point out that in Emacs, “language” doesn’t always mean programming language. “Language” can also mean Chinese, English, etc, and Emacs are quite often used for editing natural language text. So it warrants some caution when using “language” to mean programming language specifically. > > That's a good point. > > But hopefully when the suffix -lang or -language is used in the symbol > name, the preceding word(s) will make it unambiguous. Unfortunately, it doesn't. Witness the parallel discussion of translating the manual into other languages. Which is one (but not the only) reason why I asked repeatedly in this thread not to use the notion of "language" in this context: it is confusing for more than one reason. I think Stefan suggested "content type" or something to that effect, which is better terminology, IMO.