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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Daniel Colascione <dancol@dancol.org>
Cc: dmantipov@yandex.ru, 17168@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#17168: 24.3.50; Segfault at mark_object
Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2014 19:59:29 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83y4zi75se.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <534182C3.30205@dancol.org>

> Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2014 09:37:23 -0700
> From: Daniel Colascione <dancol@dancol.org>
> CC: monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA, dmantipov@yandex.ru, 17168@debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> > Because Richard has been using that machine for years, and I very much
> > doubt that he changed his usage patterns lately.
> 
> Richard's not the only one who has seen this crash. Drew's also reported
> GC crashes in odd, and different, places.

Which seem unrelated, and started much later than Richard reported
his.

> >>>>> In http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=15583#23, Richard
> >>>>> provided the last good revno (113938) and the first bad one (114268);
> >>>>> I looked at that range of revisions, and 114156 looks relevant.  How
> >>>>> about if we revert it and see if the problems go away?
> >>>>
> >>>> The bug would still be there, and we'd have no way to tell whether your
> >>>> proposed change actually reduced its occurrence to a tolerable level.
> >>>> Why would you want to do that instead of just fixing the bug?
> >>>
> >>> Because it's simpler,
> >>
> >> It's easy to make code that's simple and wrong.
> > 
> > I didn't suggest any new code.
> 
> No: you're just suggesting leaving incorrect code in Emacs.

It's not incorrect, AFAIU.  It might be less optimal.

> >>> and because it just might be that the bug was
> >>> caused by that other changeset.
> >>
> >> How might that changeset in particular have caused the problem reports?
> > 
> > It is related to calling a function, and is in the same function from
> > which all the recent crashes started.
> 
> You haven't identified a causal mechanism. Any recent change could have
> caused enough of a shift in code generation or stack layout to cause
> this problem, and because it manifests so seldom, it'd be hard to verify
> that reverting any particular change "fixed" the problem.

I thought you had a test case.  If not, how did you verify that your
suggested changes do fix the problem?

> Also, eval_sub does *everything*. It's no surprise that we saw the
> crashes there. That's like saying "all crashes are associated with main,
> this change affects main, and therefore this change is responsible."

The change is related to calling a function whose symbol has certain
properties.  That sounds related to me, not just a random change
somewhere in eval_sub.

Anyway, it was just an idea which I thought would be easy to try.





  reply	other threads:[~2014-04-06 16:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-04-02  7:44 bug#17168: 24.3.50; Segfault at mark_object Nicolas Richard
2014-04-02 15:53 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-04-02 17:59   ` Nicolas Richard
2014-04-02 16:29 ` Dmitry Antipov
2014-04-02 19:46   ` Daniel Colascione
2014-04-02 20:33     ` Daniel Colascione
2014-04-02 20:57       ` Nicolas Richard
2014-04-02 21:50         ` Daniel Colascione
2014-04-02 23:24           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-04-03  0:28             ` Daniel Colascione
2014-04-02 20:37     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-04-02 20:40       ` Daniel Colascione
2014-04-02 20:55         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-04-03  6:59         ` Dmitry Antipov
2014-04-03  7:04           ` Dmitry Antipov
2014-04-03  7:55             ` Daniel Colascione
2014-04-03  9:08               ` Daniel Colascione
2014-04-03 14:03                 ` Dmitry Antipov
2014-04-03 15:42                   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-04-03 16:47                     ` Daniel Colascione
2014-04-03 17:49                       ` Dmitry Antipov
2014-04-03 17:51                         ` Daniel Colascione
2014-04-03 19:21                           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-04-03 19:22                             ` Daniel Colascione
2014-04-05 22:37                               ` Daniel Colascione
2014-04-06  5:05                                 ` Dmitry Antipov
2014-04-06  5:11                                   ` Daniel Colascione
2014-04-06 18:00                                     ` Richard Stallman
2014-04-06 18:10                                       ` Daniel Colascione
2014-04-06 19:06                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-04-07  7:49                                         ` martin rudalics
2014-04-07  8:18                                           ` Dmitry Antipov
2014-04-07  9:20                                             ` martin rudalics
2014-04-06 12:36                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-04-06 15:06                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-04-06 15:59                                     ` Daniel Colascione
2014-04-06 16:19                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-04-06 16:24                                         ` Daniel Colascione
2014-04-06 16:29                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-04-06 16:37                                             ` Daniel Colascione
2014-04-06 16:59                                               ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2014-04-06 17:11                                                 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-04-06 19:44                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-04-06 19:42                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-04-06 15:46                                   ` Daniel Colascione
2014-04-06 19:58                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-04-06 20:13                                       ` Daniel Colascione
2014-04-06 20:53                                         ` Daniel Colascione
2014-04-06 21:08                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-04-06 21:37                                           ` Daniel Colascione
2014-04-07 16:28                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2014-04-07 19:06                                               ` Daniel Colascione
2014-04-07 20:42                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-04-08  7:14                                                 ` martin rudalics
2014-04-08  8:47                                                   ` Daniel Colascione
2014-04-06 18:01                                   ` Richard Stallman
2014-04-06 19:58                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-04-07 16:56                                       ` Richard Stallman
2014-04-02 20:49     ` Nicolas Richard

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