From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21472: 25.0.50; REGRESSION: (emacs) `Coding Systems' uses curly quotes for Lisp strings Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:26:38 +0300 Message-ID: <83y4g77io1.fsf@gnu.org> References: <55F83FDF.2070202@cs.ucla.edu> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1442335687 9544 80.91.229.3 (15 Sep 2015 16:48:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 16:48:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 21472@debbugs.gnu.org To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 15 18:47:51 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZbtOV-0007ql-C3 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 18:47:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44593 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZbtOU-00050A-OT for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 12:47:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34556) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zbt4U-0001Zv-AO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 12:27:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zbt4Q-0006lO-91 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 12:27:06 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:41297) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zbt4Q-0006lK-6U for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 12:27:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Zbt4Q-0003rG-3O for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 12:27:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 16:27:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21472 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 21472-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21472.144233440514807 (code B ref 21472); Tue, 15 Sep 2015 16:27:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 21472) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Sep 2015 16:26:45 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33507 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Zbt48-0003qi-9N for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 12:26:44 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout29.012.net.il ([80.179.55.185]:47951) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Zbt45-0003qY-40 for 21472@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 12:26:42 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout29.012.net.il by mtaout29.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NUQ00I008BXLF00@mtaout29.012.net.il> for 21472@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:27:10 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.94.185.246]) by mtaout29.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NUQ00EDR8D7WF30@mtaout29.012.net.il>; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:27:07 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <55F83FDF.2070202@cs.ucla.edu> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:106604 Archived-At: > From: Paul Eggert > Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 08:57:19 -0700 > > Although the manual was correct as it was, it could be written to avoid the need > for the quotes, and this should help avoid confusion like the problem Drew > reported. I went through the Emacs, Elisp, and Elisp intro manuals looking for > this sort of problem and fixed the ones that I found in commit > ef7dbdf5873bf0a1f3f0e64e5d019e74d5b15b9e. After looking through these changes, I must say I don't like too many of them. Phrases like "foo (or “bar”)" now lost their quotes, which makes them less correct English-wise, AFAIK. Even worse, we lost quotes in phrases like "foo (a.k.a. “bar”). This sentence: On a decentralized version control system, push changes from the current branch to another location. where "push" was quoted, is now reads like incorrect English ("push" is not a noun here). Likewise here: The external border is normally not shown on fullboth and mazimized frames. Previously, "fullboth", which is not a word, was quoted to indicate that it's not a real word. Many places have a quoted text replaced by @dfn, although there's no terminology here that we describe or index. Etc., etc. -- I think a large portion of these changes goes too far, and replaces perfectly correct English with less correct one. I think most of these changes should be reverted.