From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21422: 25.0.50; apropos-library on libraries using cl-def{generic,method} fails Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2016 11:36:40 +0200 Message-ID: <83y4c0pg47.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87y4gl5ung.fsf@udel.edu> <20160107190640.GA28029@holos> <83twmp17es.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1452245839 14619 80.91.229.3 (8 Jan 2016 09:37:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 09:37:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: mvoteiza@udel.edu, 21422@debbugs.gnu.org To: Glenn Morris Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 08 10:37:09 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aHTTo-0004hE-99 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 10:37:08 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34757 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aHTTn-0001CT-RY for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 04:37:07 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33523) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aHTTj-0001Bb-Hx for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 04:37:04 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aHTTi-0006Rk-I0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 04:37:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:54037) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aHTTi-0006Rf-F0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 04:37:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aHTTi-00074Z-7b for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 04:37:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2016 09:37:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21422 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 21422-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21422.145224581827177 (code B ref 21422); Fri, 08 Jan 2016 09:37:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 21422) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jan 2016 09:36:58 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42257 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aHTTd-00074H-RI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 04:36:58 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:42371) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aHTTb-000742-QI for 21422@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 04:36:56 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aHTTT-0006MG-9t for 21422@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 04:36:50 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:37560) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aHTTT-0006MB-7T; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 04:36:47 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1173 helo=HOME-C4E4A596F7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aHTTO-0002FU-Rw; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 04:36:43 -0500 In-reply-to: (message from Glenn Morris on Thu, 07 Jan 2016 20:27:57 -0500) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:111360 Archived-At: > From: Glenn Morris > Cc: Mark Oteiza , 21422@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 20:27:57 -0500 > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > >> cl-generic is used pretty widely, and apropos-library fails on libraries > >> using it. Could this be marked to be fixed before release? > > > > IMO, we should only do that if it's practical, i.e. if there's someone > > who would work on fixing that. > > I don't think that's the right approach. > > One purpose of marking things as release blockers is to encourage > people to work on them. Sure, provided that there's someone who can be encouraged. Otherwise, it's futile, isn't it? But I didn't write what you cite above as a general proposal. I wrote that specifically about this kind of bugs: I find it hard to believe that we would consider such bugs critical, i.e. something with which it would be unthinkable to release Emacs. You need to read what I wrote keeping this in mind, and without generalizing it to any other kind of bugs, particularly those that are really critical ones. > > I'd also suggest to have bug#22294 be the release blocker, [...] > > You don't need to suggest it, please just do it. If #21422 is marked as a blocker, I will do the same for #22294. They are in the same boat: extremely inconvenient, but not really critical. > It would be great if the list of blocking bugs became something other > than just my own opinion. It stopped being just your own option long ago. I'm using it, for one. Thanks.