From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote. Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 16:39:33 +0300 Message-ID: <83y3t055d6.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20170607191344.GB2430@acm.fritz.box> <20170608173400.GA2662@acm.fritz.box> <20170609194141.GA3410@acm.fritz.box> <3b2a119e-7c2e-e906-dea0-ae91aca80f33@cs.ucla.edu> <0846dd8a-804d-4df9-8a45-979a9d49b5d6@default> <94369fcb-ce5f-17be-ced7-0e30bf1dd29f@cs.ucla.edu> <20170610100103.GA2960@acm.fritz.box> <87ink4f72b.fsf@engster.org> <20170610130100.GB2960@acm.fritz.box> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1497102080 32157 195.159.176.226 (10 Jun 2017 13:41:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 13:41:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, 23425@debbugs.gnu.org, deng@randomsample.de To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 10 15:41:15 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dJgdf-0007sT-9k for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2017 15:41:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58576 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dJgdg-0002uz-0S for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2017 09:41:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50667) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dJgdW-0002tX-KD for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2017 09:41:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dJgdS-0006FP-Gf for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2017 09:41:06 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:35227) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dJgdR-0006FJ-UM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2017 09:41:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dJgdR-00044V-Kx for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2017 09:41:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 13:41:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 23425 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 23425-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B23425.149710200415565 (code B ref 23425); Sat, 10 Jun 2017 13:41:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 23425) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jun 2017 13:40:04 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37901 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dJgcW-00042z-Ei for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2017 09:40:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59473) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dJgcU-00042S-Hu for 23425@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2017 09:40:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dJgcL-0005wr-88 for 23425@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2017 09:39:57 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:55270) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dJgcL-0005wn-4U; Sat, 10 Jun 2017 09:39:53 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1087 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1dJgcJ-0003qu-Qa; Sat, 10 Jun 2017 09:39:52 -0400 In-reply-to: <20170610130100.GB2960@acm.fritz.box> (message from Alan Mackenzie on Sat, 10 Jun 2017 13:01:01 +0000) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:133443 Archived-At: > Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 13:01:01 +0000 > From: Alan Mackenzie > Cc: Paul Eggert , 23425@debbugs.gnu.org > > > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnu-emacs/2016-05/msg00324.html > > > What more do you want? > > An apology and an undertaking not to repeat the offense. It wasn't an offense. It was a good-faith mistake. Please accept what the others think about this, and please don't blow this out of proportion. > But, to repeat myself, I'm most unhappy that it was slipped into Emacs > bypassing the customary discussion process. Veteran contributors -- and Paul is definitely among them -- aren't required to wait for a discussion before they push their commits. When to start a discussion before making a change is up to their judgment call. That is how Emacs development works for many years. I agree that in this case the change should have been discussed more thoroughly in advance -- but that is exactly what Paul said he regrets he hadn't done. So the lesson has been learned, and we are now wiser about this and similar issues that could come up in the future. > It's a non backward-compatible change to a critical bit of Emacs. > `message' was previously a logical, strong function, and it has been > turned into a messy function which sort of works most of the time. IME, it works quite well all of the time. Where it has some deficiencies, I'm sure we will with time improve it so it works even better. That's my experience in Emacs for many years. And with that, I think it's high time to end this discussion.