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* bug#48901: [kisara.moe] 28.0.50; Support text-based fringe contents alongside bitmaps
@ 2021-06-07 13:30 mohsin kaleem
  2021-06-07 13:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: mohsin kaleem @ 2021-06-07 13:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 48901


This is more a feature request than a bug-report. At the moment the
recommended way to show extra information about certain lines in a
buffer is the fringe. This is done by defining a fringe-bitmap and then
having that render onto the fringe, however this is a graphical
only solution and terminal frames don't support this. Some packages such
as flycheck let you work around this by rendering what you would've
rendered on the frame, onto the margin which supports rendering regular
strings (alongside any other string-properties such as faces) that can
be visible in both terminal and GUI frames.
However as a solution that isn't ideal, for one margins weren't designed
for this purpose and for another there doesn't seem to be a way to set
the background or other properties of a margin to make it resemble the
fringe (in my case I'd like the background of the margin to match
the fringe background but only for the left margin where I will show the
fringe indicators). There's also the issue with interference between
this representation and other packages such as olivetti that use the
margin to center text.
I'd like to recommend we support rendering both text and bitmaps onto
the fringe, rendering nothing (or perhaps a block element) if a package
tries to render a bitmap on a terminal frame.


In GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 3, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.29, cairo version 1.17.4)
 of 2021-05-24 built on mk-desktop
Repository revision: a3de48687eb28121f3dbfc20be19bd06c4cd6e98
Repository branch: master
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* bug#48901: [kisara.moe] 28.0.50; Support text-based fringe contents alongside bitmaps
  2021-06-07 13:30 bug#48901: [kisara.moe] 28.0.50; Support text-based fringe contents alongside bitmaps mohsin kaleem
@ 2021-06-07 13:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
  2021-06-15 22:10   ` bug#48901: [kisara.moe] Re: [kisara.moe] " Mohsin Kaleem
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2021-06-07 13:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: mohsin kaleem; +Cc: 48901

> From: mohsin kaleem <mohkale@kisara.moe>
> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2021 14:30:23 +0100
> 
> 
> This is more a feature request than a bug-report. At the moment the
> recommended way to show extra information about certain lines in a
> buffer is the fringe. This is done by defining a fringe-bitmap and then
> having that render onto the fringe, however this is a graphical
> only solution and terminal frames don't support this. Some packages such
> as flycheck let you work around this by rendering what you would've
> rendered on the frame, onto the margin which supports rendering regular
> strings (alongside any other string-properties such as faces) that can
> be visible in both terminal and GUI frames.
> However as a solution that isn't ideal, for one margins weren't designed
> for this purpose and for another there doesn't seem to be a way to set
> the background or other properties of a margin to make it resemble the
> fringe (in my case I'd like the background of the margin to match
> the fringe background but only for the left margin where I will show the
> fringe indicators). There's also the issue with interference between
> this representation and other packages such as olivetti that use the
> margin to center text.
> I'd like to recommend we support rendering both text and bitmaps onto
> the fringe, rendering nothing (or perhaps a block element) if a package
> tries to render a bitmap on a terminal frame.

Sorry, I don't understand: you begin by saying that fringe bitmaps
have a disadvantage for TTY frames, and end by requesting a different
features with the same disadvantage?  Or what did I miss?





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* bug#48901: [kisara.moe] Re: [kisara.moe] Re: bug#48901: [kisara.moe] 28.0.50; Support text-based fringe contents alongside bitmaps
  2021-06-07 13:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2021-06-15 22:10   ` Mohsin Kaleem
  2021-06-16 15:01     ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Mohsin Kaleem @ 2021-06-15 22:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 48901

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> From: mohsin kaleem <mohkale@kisara.moe>
>> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2021 14:30:23 +0100
>> 
>> 
>> This is more a feature request than a bug-report. At the moment the
>> recommended way to show extra information about certain lines in a
>> buffer is the fringe. This is done by defining a fringe-bitmap and then
>> having that render onto the fringe, however this is a graphical
>> only solution and terminal frames don't support this. Some packages such
>> as flycheck let you work around this by rendering what you would've
>> rendered on the frame, onto the margin which supports rendering regular
>> strings (alongside any other string-properties such as faces) that can
>> be visible in both terminal and GUI frames.
>> However as a solution that isn't ideal, for one margins weren't designed
>> for this purpose and for another there doesn't seem to be a way to set
>> the background or other properties of a margin to make it resemble the
>> fringe (in my case I'd like the background of the margin to match
>> the fringe background but only for the left margin where I will show the
>> fringe indicators). There's also the issue with interference between
>> this representation and other packages such as olivetti that use the
>> margin to center text.
>> I'd like to recommend we support rendering both text and bitmaps onto
>> the fringe, rendering nothing (or perhaps a block element) if a package
>> tries to render a bitmap on a terminal frame.
>
> Sorry, I don't understand: you begin by saying that fringe bitmaps
> have a disadvantage for TTY frames, and end by requesting a different
> features with the same disadvantage?  Or what did I miss?

Dear Eli,

Apologies I seem to have misunderstood the usage or implementation of
fringes vs. margins.
In retrospect the distinction isn't all that important.
I've tried using the margin based approach for the past few days and
the only issue I still have left is that there's no-way to specify the
default face for the margin (something akin to the `fringe' face).
Ideally I'd like to be able to do so separately for the left and right
margins (as I really only intend to use one of them), but otherwise the
rest of the issues I raised in my original email can be disregarded.

What are your thoughts on having a dedicated face for the margin?

Thank you,

---
Mohsin K.





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* bug#48901: [kisara.moe] Re: [kisara.moe] Re: bug#48901: [kisara.moe] 28.0.50; Support text-based fringe contents alongside bitmaps
  2021-06-15 22:10   ` bug#48901: [kisara.moe] Re: [kisara.moe] " Mohsin Kaleem
@ 2021-06-16 15:01     ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2021-06-16 15:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Mohsin Kaleem; +Cc: 48901

> From: Mohsin Kaleem <mohkale@kisara.moe>
> Cc: 48901@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 23:10:33 +0100
> 
> What are your thoughts on having a dedicated face for the margin?

Lisp programs display in the margins by putting string-valued
properties on buffer text.  While doing that, how hard is it to
specify the face for those strings? it's just one call to 'propertize'
away.

By default, the text displayed in the margins inherits the face of the
text on which you put the corresponding properties, right?  Why isn't
that a good default?





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