From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#65913: with-help-window arranges for 'inhibit-read-only' to be set to 't' Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2023 15:50:45 +0300 Message-ID: <83y1h8lxzu.fsf@gnu.org> References: <838r9anrmi.fsf@gnu.org> <83v8cem8pu.fsf@gnu.org> <83o7i5nbeq.fsf@gnu.org> <83fs3hmk33.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="8883"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: uzibalqa@proton.me, stefankangas@gmail.com, 65913@debbugs.gnu.org To: Heime Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 14 14:52:22 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qglpW-00025L-Er for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2023 14:52:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qglp9-0007M8-MW; Thu, 14 Sep 2023 08:51:59 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qglp7-0007KF-F9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2023 08:51:57 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qglp7-0003Gs-52 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2023 08:51:57 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qglpC-0002Bs-Tm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2023 08:52:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2023 12:52:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 65913 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 65913-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B65913.16946958798327 (code B ref 65913); Thu, 14 Sep 2023 12:52:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 65913) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Sep 2023 12:51:19 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37928 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qgloV-0002AF-0p for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2023 08:51:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54330) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qgloS-0002A0-Qm for 65913@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2023 08:51:17 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qgloG-0003Au-6n; Thu, 14 Sep 2023 08:51:04 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=UBJ3uaR0ZuoCVHzKq+OiHdfW9fu6SgbTtchk7ZaKsKs=; b=c9q9vq9pY717 hIO+1wNqXVB4QVU3hXhzM89Et62l2azg+yPlY1Nkq2tgeU4jGHxWdSXIlc4R5yuFHXr98czD151s3 my/YTrgvDj3YRcaS6BJ45R8nc5fkQIiCVVsPvDn15lZM2hJxNR1FwkJuKC+FUbJt3nlCCBMiq3UR8 IOHlnwjmoyb4+kE1G/iPV8NgnHh9Nrg3gL+WFHClO7SdNfW850wUJFCuLkj857+IDyqVZmTafRX7P qGJXXRyn5snGMhfsiBORSfiMhIXhljtUP9F9TbaPiO3YTx818085Rtdp/zAQlse6yF8++/ofshdQl cH82MnNyyFJi/jd58TIhFw==; In-Reply-To: (message from Heime on Thu, 14 Sep 2023 10:41:06 +0000) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:270418 Archived-At: > Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2023 10:41:06 +0000 > From: Heime > Cc: uzibalqa , 65913@debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com > > > So do we. But this issue has nothing to do with how hard it is to > > work with Emacs. You simply looked for the information you were after > > in the wrong place, when the right place should have been pretty > > obvious for someone who writes Lisp programs: the ELisp manual. > > Stefan mentioned a project to have the docstring communicate with the manual > so that finding the information will not be too laborious. That's an existing feature, we use it when appropriate. > > In general, there's no need to mention in each and every doc string > > that to learn about some subject you should read the manual where that > > subject is described. This is trivial, and having to repeat that > > everywhere will just bloat Emacs for no good reason. Consulting the > > documentation is one of the first lessons that each Emacs user learns, > > and resisting that lesson is not recommended. > > There could be some manual or metadata that could provide rapid search > and association capabilities to find relevant information and avoid much > manual labour. We have commands for that: "M-x apropos", Info-index, and others.