From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#65734: [BUG] kill-whole-line on folded subtrees [9.6.8 (release_9.6.8-3-g21171d @ /home/w/usr/emacs/0/29/0/lisp/org/)] Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 15:55:47 +0200 Message-ID: <83y1cxmgws.fsf__12859.0248919622$1704895066$gmane$org@gnu.org> References: <87il8pao4l.fsf@whxvd.name> <87tts8vrpb.fsf@localhost> <83cyyw4of7.fsf@gnu.org> <875y4ovct9.fsf@localhost> <875y04yq9s.fsf@localhost> <875y02y0da.fsf@localhost> <87frz6w2zt.fsf@localhost> <83cyu9nyea.fsf@gnu.org> <87sf35pcds.fsf@localhost> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36244"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 65734@debbugs.gnu.org, manikulin@gmail.com, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, iota@whxvd.name To: Ihor Radchenko Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 10 14:57:38 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rNZ5N-00099g-9m for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 14:57:37 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rNZ58-00044z-VR; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 08:57:24 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rNZ4y-00042h-Eb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 08:57:12 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rNZ4q-00007K-4R for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 08:57:08 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rNZ4o-0003OY-AO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 08:57:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 13:57:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 65734 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 65734-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B65734.170489497512970 (code B ref 65734); Wed, 10 Jan 2024 13:57:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 65734) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jan 2024 13:56:15 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39304 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rNZ43-0003N8-4B for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 08:56:15 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36192) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rNZ3z-0003Ma-B9 for 65734@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 08:56:12 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rNZ3u-00085v-NW; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 08:56:06 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=CQc8+3lY0hDrIBYaxB015HAAxRvN683L9ig0hR1W/QA=; b=oNcX/uB2L1B5 dBxjAisczuLFbfgg20M+9RH64H8RzfXk94oEAKtLkbhFYjhAX6y35jSotwmIutJRR2tK5wJWLXFLi XgDtC+8JRHs95lhHEh0S2OqkpiMReCCOrk63Z0VE2efSQW3tfC4fn+/juzX1281vJLjdPeq1BhymU WuKyvKNvGJcjV1JmsqdPfL9Dkyvdtz9Mbweg/pfoWihdOS5BVHsO9syD4qAyvDvOIoEcvfGf1Qkqa VP34wb7f0IEbxTZatN4O73ZkPoelNLWvncoUZqmj9/l1nMkSv5FsrNG1ZdR+BAVyEa2NzRy9NsBx9 efPrhxRNXNNmVHoEENMTyQ==; In-Reply-To: <87sf35pcds.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Wed, 10 Jan 2024 13:05:19 +0000) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:277744 Archived-At: > From: Ihor Radchenko > Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, 65734@debbugs.gnu.org, > manikulin@gmail.com, iota@whxvd.name > Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 13:05:19 +0000 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > I said that remapping widely-used keys to commands that behave > > significantly differently places a non-trivial burden on users, > > especially on those who use the remapping mode relatively rarely. > > Sure. From which I concluded that Org mode should avoid remapping and > instead prefer other means to adjust the behaviour of standard Emacs > commands. > > Then, we discussed that Emacs commands to not always provide enough > toggles. So, I am asking to add one in this thread. I don't think I understand what kind of toggle are we talking about.