From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#9571: 24.0.50; user option to turn off bidi, please Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 14:50:59 +0300 Message-ID: <83wrczqxy4.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87obybg01n.fsf@gmail.com> <834o03sgsu.fsf@gnu.org> <87d3erfrb5.fsf@gmail.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1316778766 10086 80.91.229.12 (23 Sep 2011 11:52:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 11:52:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 9571@debbugs.gnu.org To: =?UTF-8?Q?=C5=A0t=C4=9Bp=C3=A1n_?= =?UTF-8?Q?N=C4=9Bmec?= Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 23 13:52:41 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R74J7-0002OY-NI for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 13:52:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:32773 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R74J6-0003O9-To for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 07:52:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:35755) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R74J3-0003FE-LS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 07:52:38 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R74J2-0006mn-Fl for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 07:52:37 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:32955) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R74J2-0006ii-Dh for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 07:52:36 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R74JR-0002qM-GW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 07:53:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 11:53:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9571 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 9571-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9571.131677872410862 (code B ref 9571); Fri, 23 Sep 2011 11:53:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 9571) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Sep 2011 11:52:04 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R74IW-0002p9-F7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 07:52:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R74IU-0002ok-9p for 9571@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 07:52:03 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LRZ008004E1CP00@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for 9571@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 14:50:51 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.228.8.215]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LRZ008F24WR4ZM0@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 14:50:51 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <87d3erfrb5.fsf@gmail.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 07:53:01 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:51709 Archived-At: > From: =C5=A0t=C4=9Bp=C3=A1n N=C4=9Bmec > Cc: 9571@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 13:09:49 +0200 >=20 > By under-documenting the issue you only provide more opportunity to > FUD. In other words, not clearly saying that bidi might bring > problems and how to work around them in the user documentation at > this point would only be reasonable if Emacs bidi was pretty much a > solved problem, but that's really not the impression I got from the > related emacs-devel discussions or even from your explanation. I happen to be a documentation freak, and tried to do my best in documenting everything related to bidi. If you can suggest specific changes to the user manual or NEWS about this, please do. Saying in the manual that some feature "means trouble" is not something we use to do, because users will say "if it's trouble, why don't you fix it?". We need to find a way of saying something useful that will hel= p users nonetheless. Suggestions are welcome.