From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#15095: 24.2; mail items in Tools menu confusing to new users Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 18:03:08 +0300 Message-ID: <83wqnnngib.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87y584tdzu.fsf@abbey.wistly.net> <837gfop2r7.fsf@gnu.org> <87ob90uk62.fsf@abbey.wistly.net> <8338qbpt90.fsf@gnu.org> <87mwojqi0i.fsf@abbey.wistly.net> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1376579000 16358 80.91.229.3 (15 Aug 2013 15:03:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 15:03:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 15095@debbugs.gnu.org To: Carson Chittom Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 15 17:03:21 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1V9z57-0006LI-Dn for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 17:03:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53802 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V9z57-0006RL-1t for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 11:03:21 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59501) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V9z4v-0006BU-OO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 11:03:17 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V9z4o-00042x-5O for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 11:03:09 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:37987) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V9z4n-00042m-Um for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 11:03:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V9z4n-0005Uf-IR for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 11:03:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 15:03:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15095 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 15095-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15095.137657896921095 (code B ref 15095); Thu, 15 Aug 2013 15:03:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 15095) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Aug 2013 15:02:49 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60536 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V9z4a-0005UA-1E for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 11:02:48 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:40528) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V9z4Y-0005Tm-1L for 15095@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 11:02:47 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MRK00600UYF4F00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 15095@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 18:02:38 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MRK005UTV4DXE40@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 18:02:38 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <87mwojqi0i.fsf@abbey.wistly.net> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:77379 Archived-At: > From: Carson Chittom > Cc: 15095@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 07:02:21 -0500 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > I'm guessing everyone is nowadays aware of a function in a word > > processor that sends the current document via email. So I think you > > are wrong here. > > I have to disagree. It's my experience--and granted, the plural of > anecdote is not data--that in an office where Microsoft Office is used > heavily, daily, nearly no one uses this functionality, even if they are > aware of it; and very few are aware of it. My experience is almost exactly the opposite. I get quite a few emails whose subject is a telltale "Emailing: Something.doc". > >> Incidentally, I didn't remember what came up, so I just tried (via > >> emacs -Q and then going through Rmail) to send a message like a new user > >> would. Emacs (presumably message.el) just prompts me to select "mail > >> client," "transport," or "smtp" to send my message; and there is no > >> indication that I've left Rmail. > > > > The indication is in the mode line, as usual in Emacs. After all, > > that's how you know you are in Rmail, right? > > It just says "Message." There is no indication--again, to a user > unfamiliar with Emacs--that Message isn't just some part of Rmail. As you well know, that "Message" thing is the current major mode. It was "Rmail" when you were in Rmail.