From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.net>
Cc: 20499@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#20499: bug#16082: bug#20499: [PROPOSED PATCH] C-x 8 shorthands for curved quotes, Euro, etc.
Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 19:31:34 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83wq0os3rt.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87bni0midv.fsf_-_@violet.siamics.net>
> From: Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.net>
> Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 16:12:28 +0000
>
> >>>>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> >>>>> From: Ivan Shmakov Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 15:20:56 +0000
>
> […]
>
> >> I tend to agree with that, but is there currently an easy way to
> >> switch between /two/ input methods?
>
> > I simply use "C-u C-\".
>
> Given that I edit texts which may be deemed bilingual (Russian
> prose interspersed with source code or command line examples)
> not just occasionally, /and/ need C-s, C-r at that, – no,
> I don’t think it’d work all that well for me.
Don't you have a dual-language keyboard on your system that can switch
languages without Emacs being involved? Input methods are for
characters not directly supported by your keyboard; most systems have
at least 2, sometimes 3 different languages switchable by a hot key.
IOW, I won't expect you to need an input method to type Cyrillic
characters.
> > Granted, if every 2nd character you type is U+2018, switching input
> > methods is gonna hurt.
>
> It’s not that bad, but still; consider, e. g.:
>
> «Ты пророк», вскричал я, «вещий! Птица ты иль дух зловещий,
> Этим Небом, что над нами — Богом скрытым навсегда —
> Заклинаю, умоляя, мне сказать, — в пределах Рая
> Мне откроется ль святая, что средь ангелов всегда,
> Та, которую Ленорой в небесах зовут всегда?»
> Каркнул Ворон: «Никогда».
>
> Nine such characters per 43 words.
Those aren't quotes Paul was talking about. Those are Cyrillic-style
quotes frequently used in Cyrillic languages, and I'd expect them to
be directly available from your keyboard.
Paul's use case is with the original of this poem.
> > But that's not what happens normally, at least not to me, and you
> > save those Alt-[ etc. for more useful tasks.
>
> My ‘Alt’ is ‘Meta’ most of the time, so it’s rather C-x 8 [,
> C-x 8 ], etc. for me, and reserving that for typography isn’t
> really a big deal.
That's exactly the issue: most keyboards will have Alt taken already,
and typing "C-x 8 [" is a PITA, IMO. By contrast, 'C-\ "' is easy.
But if there are people who'd like to go iso-transl way, who am I to
object?
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Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-05-04 1:13 bug#20499: [PROPOSED PATCH] C-x 8 shorthands for curved quotes, Euro, etc Paul Eggert
2015-05-04 14:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-04 15:20 ` bug#16082: " Ivan Shmakov
2015-05-04 15:41 ` bug#20499: " Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-04 16:12 ` Ivan Shmakov
2015-05-04 16:31 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2015-05-04 18:12 ` bug#20499: " Ivan Shmakov
2015-05-04 18:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-04 22:00 ` bug#20499: bug#16082: bug#20499: [PROPOSED PATCH] " Stefan Monnier
2015-05-04 16:11 ` Paul Eggert
2015-05-04 16:15 ` Richard Stallman
2015-05-04 16:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-04 16:48 ` Ivan Shmakov
2015-05-04 17:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-04 17:40 ` bug#20499: " Ivan Shmakov
2015-05-04 22:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-05-05 14:38 ` bug#20499: [PROPOSED PATCH] " Richard Stallman
2015-05-05 14:49 ` Ted Zlatanov
2015-05-05 15:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-05 16:05 ` bug#20499: " Ivan Shmakov
2015-05-05 15:31 ` bug#20499: [PROPOSED PATCH] " Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-05 16:20 ` bug#20499: " Ivan Shmakov
2015-05-05 16:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-06 13:09 ` Richard Stallman
2015-05-06 15:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <<E1Ypz4X-0002JA-R0@fencepost.gnu.org>
2015-05-09 0:03 ` Drew Adams
2015-05-09 8:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-06 13:09 ` bug#20499: [PROPOSED PATCH] " Richard Stallman
2015-05-06 16:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-07 22:22 ` Richard Stallman
2015-05-08 5:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-08 18:46 ` Richard Stallman
2015-05-08 18:46 ` Richard Stallman
2015-05-09 7:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-09 14:17 ` Richard Stallman
2015-05-09 14:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-08 20:18 ` Drew Adams
2015-05-09 7:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-04 18:40 ` Paul Eggert
2015-05-05 6:03 ` Paul Eggert
2015-05-06 22:20 ` bug#20499: " Ivan Shmakov
2015-05-07 4:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-07 7:14 ` Ivan Shmakov
2015-05-07 14:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-07 7:53 ` bug#20499: [PROPOSED PATCH] " Paul Eggert
2015-05-07 10:00 ` bug#20499: " Ivan Shmakov
2015-05-07 14:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-07 17:03 ` bug#20499: [PROPOSED PATCH] " Stefan Monnier
2015-05-11 0:51 ` Paul Eggert
2015-05-11 2:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-05-11 1:28 ` bug#20499: [PROPOSED PATCH] C-x 8 shorthands for curved quotes, , " Paul Eggert
2015-05-11 14:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-11 15:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-05-11 16:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-11 18:48 ` Paul Eggert
2015-05-11 19:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-12 8:56 ` Richard Stallman
2015-05-12 16:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-26 15:12 ` bug#16082: " Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-13 8:49 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-05-11 18:27 ` Richard Stallman
2015-05-11 1:55 ` bug#20499: C-x 8 shorthands for curved quotes, " Paul Eggert
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