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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: dick.r.chiang@gmail.com
Cc: larsi@gnus.org, politza@hochschule-trier.de, pipcet@gmail.com,
	36609@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#36609: 27.0.50; Possible race-condition in threading implementation
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2021 19:35:31 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83wnr7gdd8.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87fsxv8182.fsf@dick> (dick.r.chiang@gmail.com)

> From: dick.r.chiang@gmail.com
> Cc: Pip Cet <pipcet@gmail.com>, larsi@gnus.org, 36609@debbugs.gnu.org,
>     Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
> Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2021 11:25:01 -0400
> 
> #1. Want to revert commit 9c62ffb

This will bring back bug#36609, so we cannot do that without
discussing first why you think that commit was wrong.

> #2. Fails on tip of master, succeeds after patch in #1.

Please explain what does "fails" mean, and why do you think the above
commit is the culprit.  (A much simpler test case will be
appreciated, btw.)

>     Fails not necessarily because xgselect.c is wrong, but rather because
>     channel-recv blocks on a mutex before channel-send can get its act together.

You mean, in this code:

   (let ((channel (make-channel 1)))
     (make-thread
      (lambda nil
	(channel-send (car channel) 42))
      "produce")
     (channel-recv (cdr channel))
     (ignore-errors (enable-command 'list-threads))
     (call-interactively #'list-threads))

?  Here, channel-send is called by a new thread, created by
make-thread.  In this code, it is _expected_ that channel-recv will be
called (by the main thread) _before_ channel-send is called by the new
thread, because make-thread creates a thread, but the newly created
thread doesn't run until it can acquire the global lock.  Meanwhile,
the main thread continues running and calls channel-recv.  The new
thread will not begin running, AFAIU, until the main thread calls
condition-wait inside channel-recv.

By "blocks on a mutex", did you mean that channel-recv blocks trying
to acquire the mutex here:

   (cl-defgeneric channel-recv ((sink channel-terminal))
     (with-mutex (oref sink mutex) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
       (with-slots (condition msg-queue) sink

If so, which thread holds that mutex at this point?

> #4. What #3 probably intended, succeeds after patch in #1.

Yes, race conditions can be solved by using sleep-for, but that's not
really a clean solution, at least not in my book.





  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-06-06 16:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-07-11 20:51 bug#36609: 27.0.50; Possible race-condition in threading implementation Andreas Politz
2019-07-12  7:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-12  8:05   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-12  9:02 ` Pip Cet
2019-07-12 12:42   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-12 12:57     ` Pip Cet
2019-07-12 13:31       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-12 13:51         ` Pip Cet
2019-07-12 15:05           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-12 18:06             ` Pip Cet
2019-07-12 18:27               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-12 18:34                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-12 19:24                   ` Pip Cet
2019-07-12 19:57                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-13 14:37                       ` Pip Cet
2019-07-13 15:03                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-13 15:13                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-13 15:54                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-13 15:57                             ` Pip Cet
2019-07-13 16:02                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-13 18:17                                 ` Pip Cet
2020-08-21 12:57                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-07-13 15:04                         ` Andreas Politz
2019-07-12 12:44   ` Pip Cet
2019-07-12 12:55     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-12 13:40       ` Pip Cet
2019-07-12 13:51         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-12 14:34           ` Pip Cet
2019-07-12 15:02             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-12 19:30               ` Pip Cet
2019-07-13  6:50                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-06 15:50 ` dick.r.chiang
     [not found] ` <87fsxv8182.fsf@dick>
2021-06-06 16:35   ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2021-06-06 19:10     ` dick.r.chiang
2021-06-06 19:27       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-09 21:40         ` dick.r.chiang
2021-06-10  6:46           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-10 11:52             ` dick.r.chiang
2021-06-10 14:18               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-10 14:55                 ` dick.r.chiang
2021-06-10 15:04                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-10 21:36                     ` dick.r.chiang
2021-06-11  6:00                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-19 17:53                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-19 19:14                           ` dick.r.chiang
2021-06-19 19:18                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-19 21:12                               ` dick.r.chiang
2021-06-20 11:39                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-20 14:01                                   ` dick.r.chiang
2021-06-20 15:53                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-25 13:54                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-10 15:35                 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-06-10 15:39                   ` Eli Zaretskii

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