From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#50881: C-h C-s leads to empty " *Metahelp*" buffer Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 20:53:21 +0300 Message-ID: <83wnmzgtf2.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87y27fc31m.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83pmsriopv.fsf@gnu.org> <87ee97gwfr.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="21474"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 50881@debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 29 19:54:16 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mVdmZ-0005Jz-NH for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 19:54:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58054 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVdmX-0002hx-Oc for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 13:54:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53798) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVdmM-0002hb-6b for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 13:54:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:38596) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVdmL-00081e-VO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 13:54:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mVdmL-0008GF-V0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 13:54:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 17:54:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 50881 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 50881-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B50881.163293800331708 (code B ref 50881); Wed, 29 Sep 2021 17:54:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 50881) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Sep 2021 17:53:23 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50142 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mVdlj-0008FK-1V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 13:53:23 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:48568) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mVdlg-0008F3-A9 for 50881@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 13:53:22 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:38806) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVdlZ-0007N6-Fs; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 13:53:13 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3243 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVdlY-0000ui-Ew; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 13:53:13 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87ee97gwfr.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (message from Juri Linkov on Wed, 29 Sep 2021 19:58:08 +0300) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:215885 Archived-At: > From: Juri Linkov > Cc: stefan@marxist.se, 50881@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 19:58:08 +0300 > > >> 'show-paren-mode' should be disabled in all read-only buffers. > > > > If the problem is with *Help* and other documentation buffers, why > > turn it off in _all_ read-only buffers? The latter is a much broader > > category. For example, debugging Lisp with Edebug makes the source > > buffer read-only. > > Maybe with Edebug it makes sense, I don't know because I immediately > disabled it globally, and noticed the problem only while trying > to reproduce the reported bug with 'emacs -Q'. That's the problem with thinking your personal preferences are definitely good for everyone else. They aren't. Please, people, just this once, let it go. We just flipped this setting on; please let the dust settle at least for a while before you come up with reasons why it should be turned back off. It's very easy to turn it off in your customizations, so if you cannot tolerate it, just turn it off and move on. Let's limit any changes related to show-paren-mode to fixing bugs, like that recursive-load problem someone just reported. Everything else let's please filter out.