From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#56117: 29.0.50; pgtk does not distinguish between and "."/"," Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2022 11:28:39 +0300 Message-ID: <83wnd7eqbs.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87y1xqkc77.fsf@yahoo.com> <87v8ssi4xi.fsf@yahoo.com> <87tu8bzul6.fsf@gnus.org> <87sfnvhk0m.fsf@yahoo.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27841"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, stefan@marxist.se, 56117@debbugs.gnu.org, qsx@chaotikum.eu To: Po Lu Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 23 10:30:29 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1o4IEO-00070T-PW for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 10:30:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53572 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o4IEN-0007an-C5 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 04:30:27 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33972) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o4IDz-0007ae-PL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 04:30:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:43378) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o4IDz-0004SJ-Gu for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 04:30:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o4IDz-0000qw-3C for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 04:30:03 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2022 08:30:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 56117 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 56117-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B56117.16559729513192 (code B ref 56117); Thu, 23 Jun 2022 08:30:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 56117) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Jun 2022 08:29:11 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37275 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o4ICz-0000ov-DG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 04:29:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:48820) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o4ICv-0000of-VD for 56117@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 04:28:59 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:38742) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o4ICm-0004JB-U4; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 04:28:51 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=vqDAXVxj3wIzIM1FfrS3j6o9RazzBvJiC3w1X4326Yw=; b=b3VHitQRtmRf 62lV8TWOU9YV7pXqhzBEcIMPUtsNnrgi3PPrZGCBH2xU9/Db6X+Tb5nRlMYZJUgcbrVZ+k5Ink70U Ls3dDSJCgEMGqTBiRW+VB4fH5WKq+dWNsnvcEANnew5gsnc6ChTuRPIk3srr9e4dUnz4/2dNJd9c3 ai2uajwCqBo5inOwIN/aHlvRsbUUzq45IvoFxChFFBbNUQ5M8OMBtZ64m6FNMKC7j14yNrNOI53x5 4PuxFUIaQ5FPuLF6/Ie8uOFDkL/ubKm1x9ox6pCZdkvx5vo3JaPP8E1he6qjd7IKhna3uuouTSXjY UCO4IsqaVDHjxgX0PWk5ww==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2936 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o4ICm-0007jP-3A; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 04:28:48 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87sfnvhk0m.fsf@yahoo.com> (bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:235081 Archived-At: > Cc: 56117@debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se, qsx@chaotikum.eu > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2022 16:16:41 +0800 > From: Po Lu via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, > the Swiss army knife of text editors" > > Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > > > And as both Eli and I have said, we think those changes you've made to > > pgtk here should be reverted so that these keys work as before. > > This isn't the super-key related bug, and in fact they shouldn't have > been merged. No amount of changes on our side can work around input > methods swallowing the shift modifier in "C-S-u" and the "kp-" in > "kp-separator". Maybe we are talking about an issue that is not understood well enough by some participants (e.g., myself). Can you please describe in more detail what causes this particular issue? > > Even though it's "wrong". Maintaining a user-facing program like > > Emacs is 70% dealing with bugs and misfeatures in other systems we're > > interfacing with. > > I'm trying to figure out how all of that fits together in Wayland to > hopefully fix it in GTK upstream. Hard-coding real modifier values is > very fundamentally wrong under both X and GTK, and leads to extremely > hard-to-diagnose problems down-the-road. Instead of hard-coding them, we could have them in some Lisp data structure, where both changing them and eliminating them altogether will be much easier. Just an idea.