From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#64724: 30.0.50; Inconsistency between manual, comments in the code, and implementation of point adjustment Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 15:44:13 +0300 Message-ID: <83wmytzb6q.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87bkg81j0i.fsf@localhost> <83fs5j4zti.fsf@gnu.org> <878rbarjuv.fsf@localhost> <83pm4m3mkh.fsf@gnu.org> <87tttx7leo.fsf@localhost> <83cz0l1qsn.fsf@gnu.org> <87iladmpfk.fsf@localhost> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="31571"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 64724@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca To: Ihor Radchenko Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 21 14:44:12 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qMpUR-0007vK-EK for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 14:44:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qMpUK-0002tZ-Lb; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 08:44:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qMpUI-0002sf-HR for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 08:44:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qMpUI-0004tl-9Q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 08:44:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qMpUI-0008Eg-5c for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 08:44:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 12:44:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 64724 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 64724-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B64724.168994342931629 (code B ref 64724); Fri, 21 Jul 2023 12:44:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 64724) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jul 2023 12:43:49 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60842 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qMpU5-0008E3-CF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 08:43:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47080) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qMpU1-0008Dq-Sh for 64724@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 08:43:47 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qMpTv-0004Wz-Vu; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 08:43:40 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=8fgWJio8A8/b5/+Ww0uDt5LlvkkN+cn5iCRhAzPdUc4=; b=ftqoPlSVjC8u c9xh0mgrRH9yrPt2wh9GXPgRG13a+0x+JhTDGpJYIsZvF4Dbb/P8n+cz4cxupHcQPARoD0R1Q63s+ rcdKmYTFdS74jfPYLiDrZ0Qxzbje1JqCSTVlOr60OspCewAds50Mc4qO06gBcwbK88wx9RQCiKxuk y1D8Y8B25gAV9xnMdY7kPUuZ5mefzqwzNTdnUkFvPdXuUZF9gHRMZ3vSRXwGA9gOtL6duKBmP0yvf i6ZHkHvFlJrpBvF5/ryT+LnVe4NyY7+8/JRnCUtON1SM3M2Nd/mhQy56gOFfmSzUI928QCMWzCGYe /FYvZT45giQG9q2APdByqQ==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qMpTu-0005rg-Gt; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 08:43:39 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87iladmpfk.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Fri, 21 Jul 2023 12:14:55 +0000) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:265692 Archived-At: > From: Ihor Radchenko > Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, 64724@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 12:14:55 +0000 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > That's because where to move point in these situations depends on > > where it was before. We could describe these details of the > > heuristics we use, but I very much doubt it will be useful in > > practice. And the heuristics could change in the future, which makes > > this a maintenance problem. > > I think you misunderstood. > I know that the logic how Emacs chooses which boundary to move to is not > documented. > > However, my problem is not with this logic. My problem is that info page > says that point adjustment happens when point is _inside_ invisible > region. However, in my situation the point is already at the boundary > (that is: _not inside_). Stefan explained that aspect, so I didn't see the point in reiterating it. > > So I tend to think this bug should be closed with no further action. > > The main purpose of that node is to explain how to disable this point > > adjustment, not describe in detail what it does and how. > > Please remember that info page was just one of the points I listed in > the initial report. I must have missed them (even though I've skimmed the discussion again now), so please point them out again. (And please don't use the incorrect term "Info page". Unlike "man pages", the Info documentation doesn't come as a collection of "pages" it comes in the form of complete manuals.)