From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#6689: 24.0.50; No primary selection Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 13:36:37 +0300 Message-ID: <83vd86trgq.fsf@gnu.org> References: <4C48B62A.2030709@harpegolden.net> <106E1806DA3141AD99F7CC3D43D62BE8@us.oracle.com> <87wrsnkvr3.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <250BB20D91B04A20AE93C6D4C07C2004@us.oracle.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1279882755 843 80.91.229.12 (23 Jul 2010 10:59:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:59:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, 6689@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 23 12:59:13 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcFyB-0002oT-Nt for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 12:59:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58931 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OcFjz-0004ya-8F for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 06:44:31 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=47280 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OcFdF-0002EK-O9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 06:37:36 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcFd6-0002HF-LM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 06:37:25 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:56702) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcFd6-0002H6-Ia for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 06:37:24 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcFck-0001pf-Pl; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 06:37:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:37:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6689 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 6689-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6689.12798814036992 (code B ref 6689); Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:37:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 6689) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Jul 2010 10:36:43 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcFcR-0001oj-3z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 06:36:43 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcFcO-0001od-TD for 6689@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 06:36:42 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0L6000200ARXO000@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 6689@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 13:36:37 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.127.61.30]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0L6000LSKAT0VCC0@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 13:36:37 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <250BB20D91B04A20AE93C6D4C07C2004@us.oracle.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 06:37:02 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:38814 Archived-At: > From: "Drew Adams" > Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 15:34:48 -0700 > Cc: 6689@debbugs.gnu.org > > I do have a problem with our changing the default behavior. > Especially without a full discussion. > > I don't see a clear proposal for a change in the default behavior on > emacs-devel. And I don't see a proposal for a change as an opt-in option, an > alternative. > > What I see - perhaps mistakenly - is that the default behavior has changed. > > If the default behavior will not be changed, and there is only a temporary bug > in the DEVELOPMENT sources, then I have no problem with that. (I should have > been clearer about that.) Drew, please calm down. Whatever changes were made, no one meant to make them on Windows. The motivation was behavior on Posix systems wrt the clipboard and the primary selection. As I wrote elsewhere, I don't see any reasons to change the behavior on Windows, which lacks the primary and secondary selections, and has just the clipboard. Can you give a concise list of problems in the new behavior on Windows? I don't mean critique, I mean a list of what now behaves differently from what it did before. Such a list would help find the damage and fix it. TIA