From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#4789: use bootstrap-emacs to build emacs/leim directory, load emacs/leim/leim-list.el to loadup.el Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 20:09:51 +0300 Message-ID: <83vcl87rxc.fsf@gnu.org> References: <200911061649.nA6GnhUq027369@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <55y6026rpt.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <79pql88pwu.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <7iobr1s76d.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83iph98hv8.fsf@gnu.org> <83ehrx8fxp.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1333991534 23081 80.91.229.3 (9 Apr 2012 17:12:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 17:12:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 4789@debbugs.gnu.org To: Glenn Morris Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 09 19:12:13 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SHI8S-0002bb-Sa for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 19:12:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36642 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SHI8S-0002Ch-6k for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 13:12:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:57677) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SHI8O-0002CL-KZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 13:12:09 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SHI8M-0006V5-Nj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 13:12:08 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:50534) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SHI8M-0006V0-KO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 13:12:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SHI9G-0005dM-Fx for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 13:13:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 17:13:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 4789 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug Original-Received: via spool by 4789-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B4789.133399156621630 (code B ref 4789); Mon, 09 Apr 2012 17:13:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 4789) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Apr 2012 17:12:46 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47072 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SHI90-0005cp-3Y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 13:12:46 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:61663) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SHI8x-0005cf-UV for 4789@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 13:12:44 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0M280090026SCY00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 4789@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 20:11:46 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.229.57.204]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0M28008TA2FKO6P2@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 20:11:45 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:58650 Archived-At: > From: Glenn Morris > Cc: 4789@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 12:34:10 -0400 > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > But you need to do this again whenever Emacs is rebuilt, not just at > > bootstrap time. Right? Are you relying on the fact that on Posix > > hosts bootstrap-emacs and emacs are (currently) the same executable, > > and that bootstrap-emacs is generated even when no bootstrap is > > necessary, like when building a released tarball? > > Indeed I need to think about this more... My initial thought is that it > should be treated like loaddefs.el (and finder-inf.el, cus-load.el, > etc). All these are pre-built in the release tarfile, so maybe > leim-list.el should be too. Now that I think about it, it's suprising > that it isn't already. Well, that goes hand in hand with the fact that the *.el files under leim/ are not byte-compiled in the tarball. Basically, a remnant from ye-old days when Leim was a separate package. I think we should compile all the *.el files under leim/ as well, but Stefan once told me something that I interpreted to mean he would rather go in the opposite direction -- let the build process compile all the *.el files under lisp/ and ship them uncompiled in the tarball. Maybe I misunderstood. > > So you just need _any_ emacs executable capable of code that generates > > leim-list.el, is that right? > > Right. But when bootstrapping on MS Windows, there must still be two > versions of the emacs binary, right? One that is called early on and > loads uncompiled Lisp files (whether or not it is called > "bootstrap-emacs"), and is used to generate the compiled Lisp files that > are loaded by the final, "proper" Emacs? Yes. > If so, I mean the first one. Yes, that part is clear.