From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#14704: 24.3.50; cl-lib breaks built-in Emacs version Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 23:25:36 +0300 Message-ID: <83vc53i7cv.fsf@gnu.org> References: <837ghjjqvj.fsf@gnu.org> <831u7rjoyl.fsf@gnu.org> <83y59zi84y.fsf@gnu.org> <871u7rxns8.fsf@yandex.ru> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1372105572 25022 80.91.229.3 (24 Jun 2013 20:26:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:26:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lunaryorn@gmail.com, lekktu@gmail.com, 14704@debbugs.gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 24 22:26:11 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UrDL1-0005tv-4I for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 22:26:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42058 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UrDL0-0004AL-HH for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 16:26:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37806) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UrDKv-00046v-Bk for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 16:26:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UrDKt-00029O-K5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 16:26:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:44764) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UrDKt-000291-5p for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 16:26:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UrDKs-0002en-8i for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 16:26:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:26:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 14704 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 14704-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B14704.137210556010206 (code B ref 14704); Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:26:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 14704) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Jun 2013 20:26:00 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39080 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UrDKo-0002eU-2B for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 16:25:58 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:61109) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UrDKj-0002eB-OJ for 14704@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 16:25:55 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MOW00M00Z6JDR00@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for 14704@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 23:25:47 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MOW00MUCZEY2ZB0@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Mon, 24 Jun 2013 23:25:47 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <871u7rxns8.fsf@yandex.ru> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:75533 Archived-At: > From: Dmitry Gutov > Cc: Glenn Morris , lunaryorn@gmail.com, lekktu@gmail.com, 14704@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 00:21:43 +0400 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > Who except myself would want to run, let's see... about 30 tests, by > > hand, first in a GUI session, then in a TTY session? > > Even if no one else would do that for now (I have no idea), sometimes > things happen, you know. Bus factor and all that. > I'm sure anyone else working on the display engine would find a suite of > tests helpful. Fine. I will add them one of these days. > Of course, if you were able to automate them to some degree, that would > be even better. We lack a lot of infrastructure for that, like access from Lisp to data structures manipulated by the display engine. If I were to write all that, I'd probably have no time left for development and fixing bugs. It would be a fine exercise for someone who'd like to learn the display engine internals, though, so motivated people are welcome...