From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
Cc: 20322@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#20322: 25.0.50; indent-tabs-mode should default to nil
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 19:10:46 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83vbgx9xtl.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <552D7796.2090109@yandex.ru>
> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 23:24:54 +0300
> From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
> CC: 20322@debbugs.gnu.org
>
> On 04/14/2015 06:59 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>
> > Then by all means let's fix those modes whose defaults aren't.
>
> So, most of them?
If it turns out that most of the modes need indent-tabs-mode set to
nil, you can make it the default in prog-mode, or even in fundamental
mode. As long as the modes that don't need to avoid tabs are changed
to have the same default as now, I won't object.
> Like I said, in the end that would call for the change of the
> default value. In the meantime, should we have an
> xxx-indent-tabs-mode variable per major mode?
I don't see a need for a mode-specific variable in this case; do you?
> I understand that C (and, to lesser extent, C++) have a lot of history,
> and a lot of variance in their communities.
>
> But the only semi-official style guide I could find that advises to use
> tabs in the Linux kernel one:
> http://www.maultech.com/chrislott/resources/cstyle/LinuxKernelCodingStyle.txt
>
> The GNU coding style, to the best of my understanding, does not mention
> tabs at all.
Let's just honor history in this case, OK?
> > The vast majority of people I work with use tabs, FWIW.
>
> Do they use 8-column offsets, then?
No (that's how I know they use tabs in the first place!).
> >> Even folks who want tabs have to configure stuff, because of our
> >> `tab-width' default (which is indeed something we cannot change now):
> >> http://stackoverflow.com/a/21788651/615245
> >
> > Our tab-width default is simply the default tab width everywhere.
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by that, but my point was, the defaults are
> not suitable as-is (even) for a certain part of our users that use tabs.
For a customizable option, this is not an issue. I can understand
that the new generation may want to get rid of tabs, but since most of
that generation don't work in C/C++, I think we can leave those alone
for now.
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Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-04-14 2:37 bug#20322: 25.0.50; indent-tabs-mode should default to nil Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-14 3:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-14 14:14 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-14 15:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-14 15:39 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-14 15:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-14 20:24 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-14 21:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-14 22:17 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-15 1:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-15 2:08 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-15 4:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-20 14:56 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-20 19:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-20 22:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-21 1:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-21 19:25 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-21 19:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-22 15:02 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-22 15:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-22 15:23 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-22 15:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-22 15:49 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-21 20:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-21 20:51 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-22 13:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-22 14:59 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-22 16:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-11-02 18:18 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-02 20:37 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-02 21:03 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-02 21:18 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-02 21:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-02 21:29 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-02 23:31 ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-03 3:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-02 23:31 ` Richard Stallman
2015-04-15 14:31 ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-04-15 16:10 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2015-04-17 2:48 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-17 4:58 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-17 13:14 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-17 7:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-17 8:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-17 14:17 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-17 14:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-17 15:55 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-17 16:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-17 18:12 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-17 18:18 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-20 15:03 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-17 7:55 ` Andreas Schwab
2015-04-17 8:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-17 10:55 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-12-26 14:27 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-12-27 2:52 ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-27 3:21 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-12-27 15:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-27 16:10 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-12-27 16:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-27 16:51 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-12-30 4:47 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-30 11:48 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-12-30 12:15 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-12-30 19:18 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-31 0:24 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-12-31 1:17 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-31 1:26 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-12-31 2:48 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-31 6:30 ` Richard Stallman
2015-04-14 17:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-14 18:08 ` Nicolas Petton
2015-04-14 20:33 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-14 19:09 ` Achim Gratz
2015-04-14 21:58 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-15 2:33 ` Richard Stallman
2015-04-15 11:18 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-15 16:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-15 23:03 ` Dmitry Gutov
[not found] ` <<E1YiD8o-000318-H5@fencepost.gnu.org>
2015-04-15 15:29 ` Drew Adams
2015-04-14 14:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-14 14:40 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-14 15:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-14 15:48 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-14 16:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-17 17:22 ` Philipp Stephani
2015-04-18 2:55 ` Dmitry Gutov
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