From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21472: 25.0.50; REGRESSION: (emacs) `Coding Systems' uses curly quotes for Lisp strings Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 10:35:49 +0300 Message-ID: <83vbb95wh6.fsf@gnu.org> References: <55F83FDF.2070202@cs.ucla.edu> <3aa1fafa-ed4d-4935-8a3e-cae7d0842c5f@default> <83r3ly7rpd.fsf@gnu.org> <55F91EF9.2000302@cs.ucla.edu> <83mvwm7k3s.fsf@gnu.org> <55F98B34.4080703@cs.ucla.edu> <83fv2e706c.fsf@gnu.org> <55F9B482.3050901@cs.ucla.edu> <83bnd26wns.fsf@gnu.org> <55F9D1A0.5060804@cs.ucla.edu> <838u857ivg.fsf@gnu.org> <55FA4DC7.9020401@cs.ucla.edu> <83zj0l60rq.fsf@gnu.org> <55FA69E4.4090508@cs.ucla.edu> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1442475443 16692 80.91.229.3 (17 Sep 2015 07:37:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 07:37:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 21472@debbugs.gnu.org To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 17 09:37:12 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcTkl-0002pN-IS for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 09:37:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56641 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcTkk-0004Fx-GU for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 03:37:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44923) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcTkh-0004FM-Jm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 03:37:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcTkc-0005GG-WD for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 03:37:07 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:43493) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcTkc-0005GC-Tz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 03:37:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcTkc-0003hs-Et for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 03:37:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 07:37:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21472 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 21472-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21472.144247537014181 (code B ref 21472); Thu, 17 Sep 2015 07:37:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 21472) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Sep 2015 07:36:10 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35703 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcTjl-0003ge-Rt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 03:36:10 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout29.012.net.il ([80.179.55.185]:35813) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcTjj-0003gU-0X for 21472@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 03:36:08 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout29.012.net.il by mtaout29.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NUT00F0092FLU00@mtaout29.012.net.il> for 21472@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 10:36:21 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.94.185.246]) by mtaout29.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NUT002WV94LUPC0@mtaout29.012.net.il>; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 10:36:21 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <55FA69E4.4090508@cs.ucla.edu> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:106683 Archived-At: > Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, 21472@debbugs.gnu.org > From: Paul Eggert > Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 00:21:08 -0700 > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > manuals ... language should be cleaner and more thought-out. > > Right, but littering a manual with unnecessary quotation marks is not cleaner: > on the contrary, it is messy and distracting. Clear and simple explanation > should trump pedanticism. We agree on the principles, but disagree about (some of) the concrete uses of the quotes. So reiterating the principles is not useful. > The bug report that started this thread stemmed from confusion > induced by unnecessary quotes, and many of the quotes you recently > reintroduced are just as unnecessary and could easily cause similar > confusion. As I said, we disagree. I thought many of the quotes you removed should not have been removed. That includes some of the removals I left alone, because they are really borderline IMO.