From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#25747: 25.1.91; hideshow binding C-c @ C-h overrides help Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2017 18:11:06 +0200 Message-ID: <83vasaxgit.fsf@gnu.org> References: <834lzuznib.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1487263446 19693 195.159.176.226 (16 Feb 2017 16:44:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2017 16:44:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 25747@debbugs.gnu.org To: Allen Li Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 16 17:44:03 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ceP9z-0004V6-PR for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2017 17:43:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47792 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cePA5-0007s4-Fs for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2017 11:44:05 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48466) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ceOe9-0007Xn-SC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2017 11:11:06 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ceOe5-00068q-S0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2017 11:11:05 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:44198) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ceOe5-00068m-OU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2017 11:11:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ceOe5-0003KD-Jw for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2017 11:11:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2017 16:11:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 25747 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 25747-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B25747.148726145212766 (code B ref 25747); Thu, 16 Feb 2017 16:11:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 25747) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Feb 2017 16:10:52 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42397 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ceOdw-0003Jq-Ap for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2017 11:10:52 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:57412) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ceOdu-0003Je-RV for 25747@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2017 11:10:51 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ceOdl-00060N-Lw for 25747@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2017 11:10:45 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:55348) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ceOdl-00060F-Ip; Thu, 16 Feb 2017 11:10:41 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2329 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ceOdk-0000hy-Sy; Thu, 16 Feb 2017 11:10:41 -0500 In-reply-to: (message from Allen Li on Thu, 16 Feb 2017 00:54:34 -0800) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:129409 Archived-At: > From: Allen Li > Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2017 00:54:34 -0800 > Cc: 25747@debbugs.gnu.org > > You can get a list of subcommands for a particular prefix key by > typing C-h, ?, or F1 (describe-prefix-bindings) after the prefix > key. (There are a few prefix keys for which not all of these keys > work—those that provide their own bindings for that key. One of > these prefix keys is ESC, because ESC C-h is actually C-M-h, > which marks a defun. However, ESC F1 and ESC ? work fine.) > > I guess this is working as intended, then? I don't know, it could be. > I was thinking of the recommendation in the style guide, which I > have read many times more than the manual: > > Don’t bind C-h following any prefix character (including > C-c). If you don’t bind C-h, it is automatically available as > a help character for listing the subcommands of the prefix > character. Perhaps we should make that somewhat softer, e.g. "We don't recommend binding C-h ... if it can be avoided.." or somesuch.