* bug#30010: 25.3; changing layout in Windows 8.1 causes endless scroll in echo-area @ 2018-01-06 16:26 Kireev Artur 2018-01-06 19:31 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Kireev Artur @ 2018-01-06 16:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 30010 [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 3935 bytes --] I have Emacs 25.3.1(x86_64-w64-mingw32), downloaded from http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/windows/ When I run Emacs on my system Windows 8.1 x86_64, where I have 2 layouts (ru & us) and then chang layot from one language to another, I recive an error '<scroll> is undefined' in echo-area. In GNU Emacs 25.3.1 (x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2017-09-27 built on LAPHROAIG Windowing system distributor 'Microsoft Corp.', version 6.3.9600 Configured using: 'configure --without-dbus --without-compress-install 'CFLAGS=-O2 -static -g3' PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/mingw64/lib/pkgconfig' Configured features: XPM JPEG TIFF GIF PNG RSVG SOUND NOTIFY ACL GNUTLS LIBXML2 ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS Important settings: value of $LANG: en_US, ru_RU locale-coding-system: cp1251 Major mode: Emacs-Lisp Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent messages: <C-scroll> is undefined [2 times] <scroll> is undefined [4 times] delete-backward-char: Text is read-only [3 times] <scroll> is undefined [14 times] mwheel-scroll: End of buffer [2 times] <scroll> is undefined mwheel-scroll: End of buffer [5 times] <scroll> is undefined mwheel-scroll: End of buffer <scroll> is undefined [31 times] Load-path shadows: None found. Features: (shadow sort mail-extr emacsbug message cl-macs format-spec rfc822 mml mml-sec password-cache epg gnus-util mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util help-fns mail-prsvr mail-utils edmacro kmacro flyspell ispell light-blue-theme .loaddefs el-get el-get-autoloading el-get-list-packages el-get-dependencies el-get-build el-get-status pp el-get-methods el-get-fossil el-get-svn el-get-pacman el-get-github-zip el-get-github-tar el-get-http-zip el-get-http-tar el-get-hg el-get-go el-get-git-svn el-get-fink el-get-emacswiki el-get-http el-get-notify el-get-emacsmirror el-get-github el-get-git el-get-elpa package epg-config seq byte-opt el-get-darcs el-get-cvs el-get-bzr el-get-brew el-get-builtin el-get-apt-get el-get-recipes el-get-byte-compile subr-x el-get-custom cl-seq el-get-core autoload lisp-mnt bytecomp byte-compile cl-extra help-mode easymenu cconv cl gv cl-loaddefs pcase cl-lib dired time-date mule-util tooltip eldoc electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel dos-w32 ls-lisp disp-table w32-win w32-vars term/common-win tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list newcomment elisp-mode lisp-mode prog-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cl-generic cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese eucjp-ms cp51932 hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese charscript case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev minibuffer cl-preloaded nadvice loaddefs button faces cus-face macroexp files text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote w32notify w32 multi-tty make-network-process emacs) Memory information: ((conses 16 112245 6045) (symbols 56 22592 0) (miscs 48 96 163) (strings 32 24388 3481) (string-bytes 1 688275) (vectors 16 15839) (vector-slots 8 462442 4390) (floats 8 186 57) (intervals 56 452 10) (buffers 976 19)) [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 15105 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* bug#30010: 25.3; changing layout in Windows 8.1 causes endless scroll in echo-area 2018-01-06 16:26 bug#30010: 25.3; changing layout in Windows 8.1 causes endless scroll in echo-area Kireev Artur @ 2018-01-06 19:31 ` Eli Zaretskii [not found] ` <DB5PR09MB047060DBBE5383004B22CA758D120@DB5PR09MB0470.eurprd09.prod.outlook.com> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2018-01-06 19:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Kireev Artur; +Cc: 30010 > From: Kireev Artur <kireev.artur@live.ru> > Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:26:21 +0000 > > I have Emacs 25.3.1(x86_64-w64-mingw32), downloaded from > > http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/windows/ > > > > When I run Emacs on my system Windows 8.1 x86_64, where I have 2 layouts > (ru & us) and then chang layot from one language to another, I recive > an error '<scroll> is undefined' in echo-area. Please describe how you change the keyboard layout (mouse? Alt-Shift? something else?), and also please type "C-h l" (the letter ell, not the digit one) after this error happens, and show the full contents of the *Help* buffer produced by "C-h l". Thanks. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
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* bug#30010: 25.3; changing layout in Windows 8.1 causes endless scroll in echo-area [not found] ` <DB5PR09MB047060DBBE5383004B22CA758D120@DB5PR09MB0470.eurprd09.prod.outlook.com> @ 2018-01-07 11:09 ` Eli Zaretskii 2018-01-07 16:09 ` martin rudalics 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2018-01-07 11:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Kireev Artur; +Cc: 30010 > From: Kireev Artur <kireev.artur@live.ru> > Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2018 10:53:53 +0000 > > Ohhh, sorry for disturbing, error caused by capslang -- utility makes windows switch layouts by CapsLock, without it there is no errors. Thanks for letting us know. I'm therefore closing this bug. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* bug#30010: 25.3; changing layout in Windows 8.1 causes endless scroll in echo-area 2018-01-07 11:09 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2018-01-07 16:09 ` martin rudalics 2018-01-07 17:32 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: martin rudalics @ 2018-01-07 16:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii, Kireev Artur; +Cc: 30010 > Thanks for letting us know. I'm therefore closing this bug. Couldn't we tell users how to prevent Emacs from fiddling with such key bindings? martin ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* bug#30010: 25.3; changing layout in Windows 8.1 causes endless scroll in echo-area 2018-01-07 16:09 ` martin rudalics @ 2018-01-07 17:32 ` Eli Zaretskii 2018-01-08 9:52 ` martin rudalics 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2018-01-07 17:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: martin rudalics; +Cc: kireev.artur, 30010 > Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2018 17:09:10 +0100 > From: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at> > CC: 30010@debbugs.gnu.org > > > Thanks for letting us know. I'm therefore closing this bug. > > Couldn't we tell users how to prevent Emacs from fiddling with such > key bindings? I thought about mentioning this in PROBLEMS, but it sounded too obscure even for that. I could be convinced, though. Did you mean PROBLEMS or did you mean something else? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* bug#30010: 25.3; changing layout in Windows 8.1 causes endless scroll in echo-area 2018-01-07 17:32 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2018-01-08 9:52 ` martin rudalics 2018-01-08 18:42 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: martin rudalics @ 2018-01-08 9:52 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: kireev.artur, 30010 >> Couldn't we tell users how to prevent Emacs from fiddling with such >> key bindings? > > I thought about mentioning this in PROBLEMS, but it sounded too > obscure even for that. I could be convinced, though. Did you mean > PROBLEMS or did you mean something else? It looks to me as if now on Windows (1) Emacs grasps key combinations before anyone else gets hold of them and (2) if it doesn't find an appropriate binding for them, emit a warning unless it's a combination reserved for Windows itself. For example, on XP I use ahk to emulate the Aero combination of lwindow key + left key via ctrl + lwindow + alt + left key This works with all other applications and also in a "normal" emacs where I assign (setq w32-lwindow-modifier 'hyper) ; lwindow is hyper But with emacs -Q I get the warning <C-M-lwindow> is undefined although I apparently don't get it in later invocations of the same executable. I think (2) is a bad idea and there should be an option to turn off such warnings. Unfortunately, I have not been able to understand how this mechanism works nowadays. martin ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* bug#30010: 25.3; changing layout in Windows 8.1 causes endless scroll in echo-area 2018-01-08 9:52 ` martin rudalics @ 2018-01-08 18:42 ` Eli Zaretskii 2018-01-09 9:38 ` martin rudalics 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2018-01-08 18:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: martin rudalics; +Cc: kireev.artur, 30010 > Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2018 10:52:48 +0100 > From: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at> > CC: kireev.artur@live.ru, 30010@debbugs.gnu.org > > >> Couldn't we tell users how to prevent Emacs from fiddling with such > >> key bindings? > > > > I thought about mentioning this in PROBLEMS, but it sounded too > > obscure even for that. I could be convinced, though. Did you mean > > PROBLEMS or did you mean something else? > > It looks to me as if now on Windows (1) Emacs grasps key combinations > before anyone else gets hold of them and (2) if it doesn't find an > appropriate binding for them, emit a warning unless it's a combination > reserved for Windows itself. Are you talking about Emacs 26 or later? This bug report is about Emacs 25, where AFAIR the above was not true. > For example, on XP I use ahk to emulate the Aero combination of > > lwindow key + left key > > via > > ctrl + lwindow + alt + left key > > This works with all other applications and also in a "normal" emacs > where I assign > > (setq w32-lwindow-modifier 'hyper) ; lwindow is hyper > > But with emacs -Q I get the warning > > <C-M-lwindow> is undefined > > although I apparently don't get it in later invocations of the same > executable. I think (2) is a bad idea and there should be an option > to turn off such warnings. Unfortunately, I have not been able to > understand how this mechanism works nowadays. Maybe we finally have a reason to provide a user facility for disabling the keyboard hook. (It would have to be on master, I think, as AFAIR it is not very trivial, but maybe I misremember, or missed some easy way of doing that.) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* bug#30010: 25.3; changing layout in Windows 8.1 causes endless scroll in echo-area 2018-01-08 18:42 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2018-01-09 9:38 ` martin rudalics 2018-01-09 17:29 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: martin rudalics @ 2018-01-09 9:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: kireev.artur, 30010 > Are you talking about Emacs 26 or later? This bug report is about > Emacs 25, where AFAIR the above was not true. I didn't notice that. So Capslang, instead of consuming the capslock, emits a scroll keystroke which Windows passes on to Emacs. This looks weird enough indeed to not be mentioned anywhere. > Maybe we finally have a reason to provide a user facility for > disabling the keyboard hook. (It would have to be on master, I think, > as AFAIR it is not very trivial, but maybe I misremember, or missed > some easy way of doing that.) I think you already disable them during debugging which IIRC here inhibits, for example, using the lwindow key as modifier in the debugged Emacs. martin ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* bug#30010: 25.3; changing layout in Windows 8.1 causes endless scroll in echo-area 2018-01-09 9:38 ` martin rudalics @ 2018-01-09 17:29 ` Eli Zaretskii 2018-01-10 10:21 ` martin rudalics 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2018-01-09 17:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: martin rudalics; +Cc: kireev.artur, 30010 > Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2018 10:38:45 +0100 > From: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at> > CC: kireev.artur@live.ru, 30010@debbugs.gnu.org > > > Maybe we finally have a reason to provide a user facility for > > disabling the keyboard hook. (It would have to be on master, I think, > > as AFAIR it is not very trivial, but maybe I misremember, or missed > > some easy way of doing that.) > > I think you already disable them during debugging Yes, but only if you start Emacs from the debugger. If you attach the debugger, the hook is not disabled, because at the time I saw no easy way of disabling it in the middle of a session. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* bug#30010: 25.3; changing layout in Windows 8.1 causes endless scroll in echo-area 2018-01-09 17:29 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2018-01-10 10:21 ` martin rudalics 0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: martin rudalics @ 2018-01-10 10:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: kireev.artur, 30010 > Yes, but only if you start Emacs from the debugger. If you attach the > debugger, the hook is not disabled, because at the time I saw no easy > way of disabling it in the middle of a session. So this is both hairy and dependent on the version of Windows used. Really bad. martin ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
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