From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#32756: Customize UI Value Menu Label&Text Description is out of wack Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 10:59:36 +0300 Message-ID: <83va71ex3r.fsf@gnu.org> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1537343890 17112 195.159.176.226 (19 Sep 2018 07:58:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 07:58:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 32756-done@debbugs.gnu.org To: Van L Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 19 09:58:06 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g2XN4-0004Ds-DE for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 09:58:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44105 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2XPA-0001IB-ST for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 04:00:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40756) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2XP4-0001I2-Qv for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 04:00:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2XP1-0002vT-EE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 04:00:06 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:40841) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2XP1-0002vA-A7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 04:00:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g2XP1-0006t1-7X for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 04:00:03 -0400 Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 08:00:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: cc-closed 32756 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Mail-Followup-To: 32756@debbugs.gnu.org, eliz@gnu.org, van@scratch.space Original-Received: via spool by 32756-done@debbugs.gnu.org id=D32756.153734398726413 (code D ref 32756); Wed, 19 Sep 2018 08:00:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 32756-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Sep 2018 07:59:47 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45098 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g2XOk-0006rx-OE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 03:59:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:47900) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g2XOj-0006rg-5k for 32756-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 03:59:45 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2XOa-0002Rr-M6 for 32756-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 03:59:39 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:36608) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g2XOa-0002Rf-HD; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 03:59:36 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1672 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1g2XOa-0001SG-42; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 03:59:36 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Van L on Tue, 18 Sep 2018 18:46:25 +1000) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:150443 Archived-At: > From: Van L > Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 18:46:25 +1000 > > Hello. > > The label in the Value Menu should match exactly what is described in the documentation for the following: > > 1. Xref Prompt For Identifier > 2. Dired Use Ls Dired > > when using Customize UI. "Match exactly" is not a worthy goal, IMO, (even if possible, which I doubt), because the menu items cannot be as long as the doc string, and the doc string is typically long, as it should include enough details to explain itself completely. However, I made changes (on the emacs-26 branch) that I believe make the menus for those two variables match their doc strings much closer. > An ideal user to verify the ability to achieve their goal whilst interacting with this aspect of the UI is to ask for feedback from a working writer, such as, a journalist. (Not me.) I don't think we have such users on board, but if there are concrete practical suggestions for further improvement, they are welcome. Thanks.