From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#40725: 27.0.91; Tutorial reports false positive key rebindings Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 15:13:50 +0300 Message-ID: <83v9lp9j41.fsf@gnu.org> References: <187E7752-27CA-4304-8BBB-695B9588DEC2@acm.org> <83d07xb2wp.fsf@gnu.org> <569DDA5E-28F0-4329-86B2-C9AE3AC4427F@acm.org> <831rodb035.fsf@gnu.org> <37969D02-FD67-4563-BD01-A2F483999D79@acm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="100198"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: contovob@tcd.ie, 40725@debbugs.gnu.org, juri@linkov.net To: Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 24 14:15:11 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jRxEc-000PvO-G1 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 14:15:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33872 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRxEb-0000MC-EY for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 08:15:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40518) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRxEV-0000Lr-9P for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 08:15:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRxEU-0003d9-NF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 08:15:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:45081) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRxEU-0003cg-9e for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 08:15:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jRxEU-0007Cx-4p for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 08:15:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 12:15:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 40725 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 40725-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B40725.158773045727639 (code B ref 40725); Fri, 24 Apr 2020 12:15:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 40725) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Apr 2020 12:14:17 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56627 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jRxDl-0007Bj-0H for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 08:14:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36638) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jRxDj-0007BT-HN for 40725@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 08:14:15 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:52560) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRxDc-0000q3-8i; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 08:14:08 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4033 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jRxDY-0001r1-4s; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 08:14:07 -0400 In-Reply-To: <37969D02-FD67-4563-BD01-A2F483999D79@acm.org> (message from Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= on Fri, 24 Apr 2020 13:35:52 +0200) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:178914 Archived-At: > From: Mattias Engdegård > Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 13:35:52 +0200 > Cc: juri@linkov.net, contovob@tcd.ie, 40725@debbugs.gnu.org > > 24 apr. 2020 kl. 13.21 skrev Eli Zaretskii : > > > Like I said: I would prefer not to rename files at all, if we can > > solve the mode issue in some other way. > > I agree, let's not rename files without a good reason. Here we have multiple good reasons. I didn't say "a good reason", I said "if we can solve the issue in some other way". > The file names cause more inconvenience than just the mode problem. What problems are those? You mentioned grepping the files, which can be easily handled by excluding the tutorials directory from the search. Are there any other problems we should consider? > Git handles renames gracefully. "Gracefully" is in the eyes of the beholder. It's true the support for renames improved in the recent years, but there are still commands that either fails or need special invocation methods to work across renames. So it's still a source of inconvenience and occasional failure or mistaken conclusions, and I'd like to avoid that if possible.