From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#43725: 28.0.50; Include feature/native-comp into master Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 17:09:13 +0200 Message-ID: <83v99znizq.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83a6s04glg.fsf@gnu.org> <83k0qzv54q.fsf@gnu.org> <83lfawp2cc.fsf@gnu.org> <83k0qgp0hj.fsf@gnu.org> <837dmfp2x7.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24736"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, 43725@debbugs.gnu.org To: Andrea Corallo Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 10 16:10:18 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lK0TZ-0006IE-3n for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 10 Mar 2021 16:10:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38764 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lK0TX-00047D-Pv for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 10 Mar 2021 10:10:15 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46092) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lK0TK-00045s-M6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Mar 2021 10:10:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:40003) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lK0TK-0007Dn-E8 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Mar 2021 10:10:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lK0TK-0003rW-5a for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Mar 2021 10:10:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 15:10:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43725 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 43725-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43725.161538896814800 (code B ref 43725); Wed, 10 Mar 2021 15:10:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 43725) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Mar 2021 15:09:28 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51549 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lK0Sm-0003qd-5u for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Mar 2021 10:09:28 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:56214) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lK0Sk-0003qS-RP for 43725@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Mar 2021 10:09:27 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:34876) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lK0Se-0006mP-L9; Wed, 10 Mar 2021 10:09:20 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:1050 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lK0Sc-00082q-Hc; Wed, 10 Mar 2021 10:09:19 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Andrea Corallo on Wed, 10 Mar 2021 13:16:53 +0000) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:201998 Archived-At: If I do this: $ touch lisp/emacs-lisp/comp.el $ ./src/emacs -Q C-h f apropos RET then I see that Emacs starts natively-compiling comp.el, even though I already have a comp.eln file in the eln-cache. This is unlike what happens with the .elc files, where Emacs will never byte-compile a file without my say-so. I could perhaps understand the automatic compilation if there was no .eln file anywhere in sight, but why should Emacs automatically compile Lisp files it loads when a .eln file for them does exist? Does this happen with any .el file, or is comp.el special in some sense? One situation where this gets in the way is when I make some changes in a .el file because I'm testing something or debugging some problem. In those cases I usually load a .el file manually and later either undo the changes or make them permanent, and re-byte-compile at that time. But with natively-compilation it sounds like I've lost control on when the file is compiled and which version of it is compiled. Is this a reasonable default behavior? Maybe it is reasonable for users who just use Emacs. But for developers that constantly make changes in .el files this could be a nuisance, at least sometimes.