From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#49039: Aspell in Emacs Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 21:12:22 +0300 Message-ID: <83v96f2e0p.fsf@gnu.org> References: Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="19483"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 49039@debbugs.gnu.org To: henri-biard@francemel.fr Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 15 20:13:13 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ltDYm-0004r3-QX for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 20:13:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44618 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ltDYl-0003Nt-N7 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 14:13:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54154) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ltDYe-0003Nj-12 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 14:13:04 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:39188) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ltDYc-0006i4-MC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 14:13:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltDYc-0005S1-II for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 14:13:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 18:13:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 49039 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug Original-Received: via spool by 49039-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B49039.162378075020909 (code B ref 49039); Tue, 15 Jun 2021 18:13:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 49039) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jun 2021 18:12:30 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50734 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltDY6-0005RA-2j for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 14:12:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:56230) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltDY4-0005Qj-NU for 49039@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 14:12:29 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:37314) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ltDXy-0006JK-T3; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 14:12:23 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:1806 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ltDXx-0002Hp-UC; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 14:12:22 -0400 In-Reply-To: (henri-biard@francemel.fr) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:208588 Archived-At: > From: henri-biard@francemel.fr > Cc: 49039@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 20:03:53 +0200 (CEST) > > > > It looks to me that it is basically a hack of ispell, likely the result that it was easier > > > and quicker for the developer to do it that way. Correct me if I am wrong. > > > You are wrong. Please read the code, don't just judge it by the name > of the package (which is just a historic incident). > > It is valuable to go past the historic after significant time has passed as it easily leads > to confusion or obfuscation. > > May I suggest that the generic framework uses a name which in different that using > the old ispell name. And within that framowork, one could call ispell, aspell or whatever, > so there is no longer a conflict of understanding between ispell the framework and ispell > the program. We are not going to change the names, sorry. Too many Emacs users are used to these names. > > > Had tried lookinf for the self documentation for ispell-program-name, but could not > > > access anything. > > > "C-h v ispell-program-name RET" would have shown its documentation. > > There are no matches for ispell-program-name if you try to do C-h v ispell-program-name There will be once you invoke the first ispell-* command. > > In any case, since Emacs already looks for known spell-checkers, and > > already prefers aspell, my conclusion from the fact that it didn't > > work for you is that you have some unusual setup, which should be > > quite rare nowadays. The defaults are set such that the user will not > > need to know about this variable. > > There has been a misunderstanding that aspell was not working. It was > working but my impression was that using ispell on emacs was using > ispell the program. > > I am convinced that the user should know about the variable. It is an important > variable and users should know what spell checker is being used. Then I'm sorry, but we will have to agree to disagree on that. > > IOW, spelling with aspell in Emacs should work as long as invoking > > aspell from the shell prompt works. If it doesn't work to invoke > > aspell from the shell prompt, then you should first correct your > > system's configuration so that it does. > > Correct, but it is hard to understand what spelling program is being used. You can always ask. Like here: you asked and got the answer. > Gnu packages should work well together. The Gnu Aspell manual says that > Aspell is a Free and Open Source spell checker designed to eventually replace > Ispell.This creates confusion and emacs should stop using ispell by name, > except when it is actually using the ispell checker. You are again sticking to the name. The name is not important: I'm quite sure Emacs was using aspell on your system (if it is installed),