From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#49424: 27.2; Misdocumented default initialisation file Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2021 22:10:21 +0300 Message-ID: <83v95kd3ky.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87bl7fscid.fsf@gnus.org> <87zguybhzw.fsf@gmail.com> <995892f5-e466-ada6-a64a-e1199d4e33a6@froglet.home.mavit.org.uk> <831r8aezu6.fsf@gnu.org> <05beaaf-113c-1260-e58-a4736396a765@froglet.home.mavit.org.uk> <83tul5exg2.fsf@gnu.org> <79b0205e-b8c5-d11c-5b78-812c352d755@froglet.home.mavit.org.uk> <83h7h5e334.fsf@gnu.org> <87bl7db3lk.fsf@gmail.com> <835yxldusk.fsf@gnu.org> <9de16f1f-86e1-a2ff-55c3-272b98d0f827@froglet.home.mavit.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7206"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 49424@debbugs.gnu.org, rpluim@gmail.com To: Peter Oliver Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 08 21:36:16 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m1Zom-0001g4-MO for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 08 Jul 2021 21:36:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40850 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m1Zol-0004Vv-NO for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 08 Jul 2021 15:36:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50296) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m1ZQM-0005FQ-CI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Jul 2021 15:11:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:45954) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m1ZQM-0005F1-4D for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Jul 2021 15:11:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m1ZQL-0004QA-Sf for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Jul 2021 15:11:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2021 19:11:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 49424 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 49424-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B49424.162577144416969 (code B ref 49424); Thu, 08 Jul 2021 19:11:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 49424) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jul 2021 19:10:44 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57500 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m1ZQ4-0004Pc-Cr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 08 Jul 2021 15:10:44 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:52442) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m1ZQ1-0004PO-4j for 49424@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 08 Jul 2021 15:10:43 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:48412) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m1ZPv-00056c-FG; Thu, 08 Jul 2021 15:10:35 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:2155 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m1ZPv-0006tH-3H; Thu, 08 Jul 2021 15:10:35 -0400 In-Reply-To: <9de16f1f-86e1-a2ff-55c3-272b98d0f827@froglet.home.mavit.org.uk> (message from Peter Oliver on Thu, 8 Jul 2021 19:22:59 +0100 (BST)) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:209706 Archived-At: > Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2021 19:22:59 +0100 (BST) > From: Peter Oliver > cc: Robert Pluim , larsi@gnus.org, 49424@debbugs.gnu.org > > > Deleting that would be a step back, since it was added for a reason, > > see the discussions about that. Specifically, we don't want to repeat > > the whole long description of how and where does Emacs find the init > > file every time we mention the init file. > > Perhaos, elsewhere in the documentation, instead of saying “~/.emacs”, we could say “the initialization file”, accompanied by a link to this description of where it can be found. I'd suggest to audit all the places where this could be relevant, before proposing a solution. For example, if some text tells the user "put this-and-that Lisp in your ~/.emacs file", a reference to a description how Emacs looks for the init file will only confuse.