From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#50463: 28.0.50; Redundant version information in *Help* buffers Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2021 21:30:00 +0300 Message-ID: <83v93cnsrb.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="28421"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: 50463@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 07 20:31:50 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mNfss-0007EX-2I for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2021 20:31:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45586 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mNfsp-0006Iv-7Z for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2021 14:31:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56514) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mNfs6-0005tD-GS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2021 14:31:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:46177) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mNfs6-0001JN-8t for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2021 14:31:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mNfs6-00031w-1d for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2021 14:31:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2021 18:31:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 50463 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.16310394128792 (code B ref -1); Tue, 07 Sep 2021 18:31:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Sep 2021 18:30:12 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57722 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mNfrH-0002HD-Mc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2021 14:30:12 -0400 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:47908) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mNfr1-00023q-Nl for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2021 14:30:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56368) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mNfr0-0005LN-0C for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2021 14:29:55 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:60352) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mNfqz-0000Ow-PQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2021 14:29:53 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3083 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mNfqy-00023t-97 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2021 14:29:53 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:213737 Archived-At: From: eliz@HOME-C4E4A596F7.mail-host-address-is-not-set --text follows this line-- To reproduce: emacs -Q C-h v xref-auto-jump-to-first-xref RET (Many other variable names will also do.) Observe in the *Help* buffer this text: This variable was introduced, or its default value was changed, in version 28.1 of Emacs. Probably introduced at or before Emacs version 28.1. One of these two sentences is redundant. I think if we have information to produce the first one, the second one should be omitted. While at that, bonus points for moving this stuff to after the actual doc string (except when the value is very long and is shown at the end, in which case this information should be between the documentation and the value). In GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 1750, i686-pc-mingw32) of 2021-09-07 built on HOME-C4E4A596F7 Repository revision: 91afb9363de7f0c793f0b10414162ca82a5db821 Repository branch: master Windowing system distributor 'Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 System Description: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 3 (v5.1.0.2600) Configured using: 'configure -C --prefix=/d/usr --with-wide-int --with-modules --enable-checking=yes,glyphs 'CFLAGS=-O0 -gdwarf-4 -g3'' Configured features: ACL GIF GMP GNUTLS HARFBUZZ JPEG JSON LCMS2 LIBXML2 MODULES NOTIFY W32NOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SOUND THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS XPM ZLIB Important settings: value of $LANG: ENU locale-coding-system: cp1255 Major mode: Lisp Interaction Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t eldoc-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t indent-tabs-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Load-path shadows: None found. Features: (shadow sort mail-extr emacsbug message rmc puny dired dired-loaddefs rfc822 mml mml-sec epa derived epg rfc6068 epg-config gnus-util rmail rmail-loaddefs auth-source password-cache json map text-property-search time-date subr-x mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr mail-utils cl-extra cl-print etags fileloop generator xref cl-seq project seq ring eieio byte-opt bytecomp byte-compile cconv eieio-core cl-macs gv eieio-loaddefs thingatpt help-fns radix-tree help-mode cl-loaddefs cl-lib iso-transl tooltip eldoc electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel dos-w32 ls-lisp disp-table term/w32-win w32-win w32-vars term/common-win tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list replace newcomment text-mode elisp-mode lisp-mode prog-mode register page tab-bar menu-bar rfn-eshadow isearch easymenu timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax font-core term/tty-colors frame minibuffer cl-generic cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese eucjp-ms cp51932 hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese composite charscript charprop case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev obarray cl-preloaded nadvice button loaddefs faces cus-face macroexp files window text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote threads w32notify w32 lcms2 multi-tty make-network-process emacs) Memory information: ((conses 16 68877 11003) (symbols 48 8532 1) (strings 16 26740 1862) (string-bytes 1 739989) (vectors 16 15407) (vector-slots 8 199026 7240) (floats 8 31 174) (intervals 40 317 0) (buffers 888 12))