From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#18205: Obsolete patterns in auto-mode-alist Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2014 14:53:43 +0300 Message-ID: <83tx5llvzs.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83iom5nh6s.fsf@gnu.org> <83sil8m6uv.fsf@gnu.org> <83k36jms6n.fsf@gnu.org> <83zjfekvi4.fsf@gnu.org> <83vbq2kqtr.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1407585325 22209 80.91.229.3 (9 Aug 2014 11:55:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2014 11:55:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, 18205@debbugs.gnu.org To: Reuben Thomas Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 09 13:55:18 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XG5Ey-00024R-Ul for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 09 Aug 2014 13:55:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55428 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XG5Ey-0007qV-JB for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 09 Aug 2014 07:55:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59655) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XG5Eq-0007nC-4y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Aug 2014 07:55:13 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XG5Ek-0005Rv-SM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Aug 2014 07:55:08 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:57432) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XG5Ek-0005QA-MQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Aug 2014 07:55:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XG5Ej-0005Un-UQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Aug 2014 07:55:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2014 11:55:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 18205 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 18205-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B18205.140758524621047 (code B ref 18205); Sat, 09 Aug 2014 11:55:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 18205) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Aug 2014 11:54:06 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36142 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XG5Dp-0005TO-91 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Aug 2014 07:54:05 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:38120) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XG5Dl-0005SY-Jy for 18205@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Aug 2014 07:54:03 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NA100L00F5D9800@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for 18205@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Aug 2014 14:53:53 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NA100LN7FPT8V20@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Sat, 09 Aug 2014 14:53:53 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:92328 Archived-At: > Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2014 10:11:54 +0100 > From: Reuben Thomas > Cc: Richard Stallman , Glenn Morris , 18205@debbugs.gnu.org > > > The current DJGPP build "just works", given that you have a correct > > setup on a system that supports the build (requirements for supporting > > the build might be different from those for supporting running of the > > binary). > > The trouble is that despite carefully-written and lengthy documentation, > these requirements aren't fully documented They are documented for systems that the people who wrote those instructions had access to. FreeDOS is not among them, so I don't know if it complies. > and yet it seems users are expected to build Emacs for themselves Not "expected", "encouraged". > So either that expectation should be changed (i.e. binary builds should be > supplied in a timely fashion to the DJGPP site, and that sentence in the > documentation changed), or the build instructions should be improved. I supplied the 23.3 binary. I intend to upload a 24.4 binary once it is out. Previous versions were IMO not stable enough to warrant an upload. As for improving the instructions, I don't know what to do about that. Once again, I have multiple success reports from people building Emacs on various platforms that support DOS, and only one failure report from you. With all due respect, I don't think this is a sign of inadequate instructions. As I wrote earlier, if you are willing to continue building the DJGPP port on FreeDOS on a more or less regular basis, I'm here to help you debug whatever problems you originally had with your build. > If people are still using Emacs on DOS, and they're expected to build it > from source, surely this is not a waste of effort? Or, no-one is using it, > and we should remove the port. See above: there's a world between these 2 extremities. Evidently, people who have working DJGPP installations do succeed in building Emacs, and there are still users who'd like to have newer binaries. > > Given the above, investing efforts in moving DJGPP to the Posix > > configury is a waste of resources that are best applied to parts of > > Emacs that will benefit users of modern systems. > > > > FreeDOS is an active project, and it's free. It seems odd to me that we > should be happy that Emacs builds on a defunct proprietary system, and not > (apparently) on a closely-related, active, free one. The DJGPP port of Emacs is currently supported by a single individual -- yours truly. I'm doing the minimum to keep the port alive, so that I could invest most of my scarce free time to more broadly useful Emacs tasks. If you want to help in supporting the DJGPP port, welcome aboard. If not, I respectfully request that you trust me to do the best I can in the little time I can afford devoting to this. Currently, I don't plan to move my DJGPP development environment to FreeDOS, I simply cannot afford such an effort (FreeDOS is sufficiently different from MS-DOS and its other emulations to necessitate a non-trivial effort). I understand the theory behind the urge to move to FreeDOS, but it will have to be done by someone else.