From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20105: 25.0.50; Emacs manual, `i HOME RET' sends you to `Moving Point', which is wrong Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 19:39:10 +0200 Message-ID: <83twxn1nsx.fsf@gnu.org> References: <1cf950ce-96bf-4a06-b104-581af13b6b74@default> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1426354823 16570 80.91.229.3 (14 Mar 2015 17:40:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:40:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 20105@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 14 18:40:11 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YWq2k-0001dE-Vp for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 14 Mar 2015 18:40:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41463 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YWq2k-0007tE-2m for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 14 Mar 2015 13:40:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49035) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YWq2g-0007qj-Uk for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Mar 2015 13:40:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YWq2c-0003dG-Sa for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Mar 2015 13:40:06 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:48208) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YWq2c-0003cc-Pf for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Mar 2015 13:40:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YWq2c-0005vz-8M for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Mar 2015 13:40:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:40:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20105 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 20105-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20105.142635476722730 (code B ref 20105); Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:40:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 20105) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Mar 2015 17:39:27 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46776 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YWq22-0005uW-Hk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Mar 2015 13:39:27 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:52686) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YWq1z-0005uJ-66 for 20105@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Mar 2015 13:39:24 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NL700000PYJ2U00@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for 20105@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Mar 2015 19:39:20 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NL7000SCQDK2Z10@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Sat, 14 Mar 2015 19:39:20 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <1cf950ce-96bf-4a06-b104-581af13b6b74@default> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:100482 Archived-At: > Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 09:44:09 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: 20105@debbugs.gnu.org > > (We might also want to add an entry for ` keyboard key'.) I changed the existing entry to say "HOME key". The other one now mentions it's an environment variable. > Also, I question whether the quote marks should be included in these > two index entries: > > * 'HOME' directory on MS-Windows: Windows HOME. (line 6) > * 'HOME' directory under MS-DOS: MS-DOS File Names. (line 35) > > Et voila: That's probably why typing `host' does not match either of > these entries. And it's perhaps why it does work for you: the curly > quotes are perhaps not present for you, in the indexes. Yes, I still use the old makeinfo to produce the manual, and this subtle difference seems to be one more incompatibility of the new versions. I fixed that. > Interestingly, copying and pasting those into this mail shows them > as curly quotes, but in Info they appear to be straight. They are > LEFT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK etc. I guess it is the default Info font > that makes them appear straight. > > But I thought that we had arranged to use the older makeinfo or > whatever, and that Emacs was arranging to keep simple backtick and > apostrophe in the produced Info buffers. No? I see now that Isearch > for ` or ' fails miserably in Info, wrt finding such quoted names. > > This makes it hard for users who want to use keyboard keys ` and ' > for searching. That's a clear regression in usefulness, IMHO. I guess this is a question for Dani, who produced the files. I think the bug can now be closed.