From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#9300: 24.0.50; `bounds-of-thing-at-point' does not return nil when just after THING Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2016 23:04:50 +0300 Message-ID: <83twgn7hjx.fsf@gnu.org> References: < <67e48e39-f31f-5170-a552-ac33509ffcd6@gmail.com>> <<8337o79arh.fsf@gnu.org>> <0e2c9c67-12a2-4712-92d2-e3c204f46838@default> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1466453278 29064 80.91.229.3 (20 Jun 2016 20:07:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2016 20:07:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: f92capac@gmail.com, tino.calancha@gmail.com, 9300@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 20 22:07:46 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bF5U1-0005N1-L9 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2016 22:07:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46196 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bF5U0-0001Ir-O9 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2016 16:07:44 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40486) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bF5TP-0000d4-Rt for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2016 16:07:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bF5TK-0001Nq-K3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2016 16:07:06 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:35716) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bF5TK-0001Nm-H5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2016 16:07:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bF5TK-0001yj-DH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2016 16:07:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2016 20:07:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9300 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 9300-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9300.14664531857558 (code B ref 9300); Mon, 20 Jun 2016 20:07:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 9300) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Jun 2016 20:06:25 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48052 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bF5Si-0001xq-O7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2016 16:06:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:49133) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bF5Sh-0001xb-Ai for 9300@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2016 16:06:23 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bF5SY-00019g-0u for 9300@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2016 16:06:18 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:52948) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bF5SN-00017I-Cj; Mon, 20 Jun 2016 16:06:03 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3808 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bF5SJ-0007kW-Bt; Mon, 20 Jun 2016 16:06:01 -0400 In-reply-to: <0e2c9c67-12a2-4712-92d2-e3c204f46838@default> (message from Drew Adams on Mon, 20 Jun 2016 10:50:27 -0700 (PDT)) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:119850 Archived-At: > Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2016 10:50:27 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: f92capac@gmail.com, 9300@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru > > > FWIW, I agree with Dmitry: this has been a de-facto behavior long > > enough to consider it the correct one. If documentation is confusing > > in that it says otherwise, we should fix the documentation. > > I couldn't disagree more. > > It is wrong to consider the current behavior "the correct one", > regardless of how long it has been in place. It is wrong because > you cannot use it in a general and precise way. It is just broken. > It has been broken for a long time, but it is broken nevertheless. That's immaterial. It is being used in many places, and it's obviously useful. Somewhere in this long discussion there was a suggestion to add new functions that behave like you want. I suggest to invest energy in that direction, instead of more bikeshedding. That way, everyone is happy, and you even get to prove you are right, if at some future point in time we will find that most applications switched to the new APIs.