From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21391: 24.5; `thing-at-point' should return a string Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 20:49:44 +0200 Message-ID: <83twbfdvav.fsf@gnu.org> References: <0a68c2ae-0940-4e2c-8b3c-1faceb45c43c@default> <1773ab35-70b1-42f9-8a8b-fe07881487d1@default> <874m3krnb6.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <83a8dbiaps.fsf@gnu.org> <83pom7gjhl.fsf@gnu.org> <0a8d76e4-4d1b-a26d-2b76-a2d9384d9f72@yandex.ru> <83mvhbgitf.fsf@gnu.org> <25bb22e8-1388-275a-d0da-7e698acdf6da@yandex.ru> <83inrygggr.fsf@gnu.org> <83y40sfyij.fsf@gnu.org> <76505436-e66c-0ed3-6d7a-ce654f38ef30@yandex.ru> <83bmxnfhbi.fsf@gnu.org> <73600483-1df5-597c-6066-232189bbdd4a@yandex.ru> <834m3ffeb9.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1478805380 32674 195.159.176.226 (10 Nov 2016 19:16:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 19:16:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: tino.calancha@gmail.com, 21391@debbugs.gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 10 20:16:16 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c4upP-0006Wd-Ho for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2016 20:16:03 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48888 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c4upS-00021x-H6 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2016 14:16:06 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60744) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c4uQF-0007Kq-4B for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2016 13:50:06 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c4uQE-0007Ms-Cc for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2016 13:50:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:37234) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c4uQE-0007MX-9X for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2016 13:50:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c4uQD-0003vI-VD for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2016 13:50:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 18:50:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21391 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 21391-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21391.147880379715064 (code B ref 21391); Thu, 10 Nov 2016 18:50:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 21391) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Nov 2016 18:49:57 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52633 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c4uQ9-0003uu-8W for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2016 13:49:57 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:41438) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c4uQ7-0003ug-6T for 21391@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2016 13:49:55 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c4uPy-00076f-0c for 21391@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2016 13:49:49 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:47141) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c4uPx-00076U-T1; Thu, 10 Nov 2016 13:49:45 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4883 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1c4uPw-0001rs-Mt; Thu, 10 Nov 2016 13:49:45 -0500 In-reply-to: (message from Dmitry Gutov on Thu, 10 Nov 2016 19:28:17 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:125581 Archived-At: > Cc: tino.calancha@gmail.com, 21391@debbugs.gnu.org > From: Dmitry Gutov > Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 19:28:17 +0200 > > On 10.11.2016 19:13, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > But that's exactly my point: you cannot usefully return some objects > > as strings. Their text representation is much less useful than the > > object itself. > > If the consumer needs the text representation, they will call > > (thing-at-point 'foo) > > If they need the "real thing", they will call > > (foo-at-point) > > which we really expect to be defined. Which is again entirely backward incompatible, right? Sorry, this doesn't sound safe to me.