* bug#15012: 23.3; read-char inappropriate echo area content
@ 2013-08-02 7:12 Bob Newell
2019-08-15 3:57 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Bob Newell @ 2013-08-02 7:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 15012
If you run this minimal code:
(defun minimal-function ()
(interactive)
(while t
(read-char-exclusive " ")
)
)
everything works as expected, that is typed characters are simply
absorbed until C-g exits the loop. But notice the " " as the prompt arg
in read-char-exclusive. Why is it there?
Because if you run this:
(defun minimal-function ()
(interactive)
(while t
(read-char-exclusive)
)
)
everything you've typed since you've invoked the function shows up in
the echo area, like this:
ESC x m i n i m a l - f u n c t i o n RET a b c d e f g (etc.)
I thought this might have something to do with minibuffer history, but I
can't verify that, and I've dived into EMACS source code without luck
(maybe without skill, too). I'm deep into keyboard.c and wondering...
Using "" instead of " " as a prompt does not work; the echoing still
happens.
read-char exhibits the exact same behavior.
I'm on 23.3.1 but I was told on gnus.emacs.help that the latest 24.x
builds show the same behavior (I can't verify personally.)
In GNU Emacs 23.3.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.10)
of 2013-05-16 on komainu, modified by Debian
Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11103000
configured using `configure '--build' 'i686-linux-gnu' '--build' 'i686-linux-gnu' '--prefix=/usr' '--sharedstatedir=/var/lib' '--libexecdir=/usr/lib' '--localstatedir=/var/lib' '--infodir=/usr/share/info' '--mandir=/usr/share/man' '--with-pop=yes' '--enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs23:/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/23.3/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/23.3/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/23.3/leim' '--with-crt-dir=/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu' '--with-x=yes' '--with-x-toolkit=gtk' '--with-toolkit-scroll-bars' 'build_alias=i686-linux-gnu' 'CFLAGS=-DDEBIAN -g -O2' 'LDFLAGS=-g' 'CPPFLAGS=-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2''
Important settings:
value of $LC_ALL: nil
value of $LC_COLLATE: nil
value of $LC_CTYPE: nil
value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil
value of $LC_MONETARY: nil
value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil
value of $LC_TIME: nil
value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8
value of $XMODIFIERS: nil
locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix
default enable-multibyte-characters: t
Major mode: Article
Minor modes in effect:
iswitchb-mode: t
anything-dired-mode: Enable anything completion in Dired functions.
Bindings affected are C, R, S, H.
This is deprecated for Emacs24+ users, use `ac-mode' instead.
shell-dirtrack-mode: t
display-time-mode: t
tooltip-mode: t
mouse-wheel-mode: t
file-name-shadow-mode: t
global-font-lock-mode: t
font-lock-mode: t
blink-cursor-mode: t
auto-encryption-mode: t
auto-compression-mode: t
line-number-mode: t
transient-mark-mode: t
Recent input:
<escape> x r e p o r t - <return> e m a c s - b u g
<return> C-g C-x C-f d a t a / e l i s p / m i n i
m a l . e l <return> <left> <left> <escape> <backspace>
<backspace> C-x C-s <escape> ` l B <escape> x m i n
i m a l - f u n c t i o n <return> a a a a a C-g <right>
<right> SPC C-x C-s <escape> ` l B <escape> x <up>
<return> d d d d d d C-g C-x b * G <return> <return>
<return> q <return> 2 0 0 <return> <down> <down> <down>
<down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <up> <up>
<up> <return> C-x o <down> C-SPC <down> <down> <down>
<down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down>
<down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down>
<down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down>
<down> <escape> w <escape> x r e p o r t - e m a c
s - b u g <return>
Recent messages:
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name mismatch: "chipschap" changed to "Bob Newell"
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* bug#15012: 23.3; read-char inappropriate echo area content
2013-08-02 7:12 bug#15012: 23.3; read-char inappropriate echo area content Bob Newell
@ 2019-08-15 3:57 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-08-15 14:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2019-08-15 3:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bob Newell; +Cc: 15012
Bob Newell <bobnewell@bobnewell.net> writes:
> Because if you run this:
>
> (defun minimal-function ()
> (interactive)
> (while t
> (read-char-exclusive)
> )
> )
>
> everything you've typed since you've invoked the function shows up in
> the echo area, like this:
>
> ESC x m i n i m a l - f u n c t i o n RET a b c d e f g (etc.)
(I'm going through old bug reports that have unfortunately gotten no
responses yet.)
I tried reproducing this bug in Emacs 27, but was unable to, so I'm
assuming it's fixed and is closing this bug report. If you're still
seeing this, please reopen.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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* bug#15012: 23.3; read-char inappropriate echo area content
2019-08-15 3:57 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2019-08-15 14:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-15 16:01 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2019-08-15 14:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: bobnewell, 15012
reopen 15012
thanks
> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 20:57:42 -0700
> Cc: 15012@debbugs.gnu.org
>
> Bob Newell <bobnewell@bobnewell.net> writes:
>
> > Because if you run this:
> >
> > (defun minimal-function ()
> > (interactive)
> > (while t
> > (read-char-exclusive)
> > )
> > )
> >
> > everything you've typed since you've invoked the function shows up in
> > the echo area, like this:
> >
> > ESC x m i n i m a l - f u n c t i o n RET a b c d e f g (etc.)
>
> (I'm going through old bug reports that have unfortunately gotten no
> responses yet.)
>
> I tried reproducing this bug in Emacs 27, but was unable to, so I'm
> assuming it's fixed and is closing this bug report. If you're still
> seeing this, please reopen.
I can reproduce it very easily, both in Emacs 26 and 27. I wonder how
come you couldn't.
I don't think it's a bug, though: that's how character echoing works
in Emacs. It is even kinda-documented in the ELisp manual, under
read-event.
I've reopened the bug, but if people agree this is established and
documented (albeit perhaps surprising) behavior, I think it should be
closed as wontfix.
Thanks.
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* bug#15012: 23.3; read-char inappropriate echo area content
2019-08-15 14:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2019-08-15 16:01 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-08-15 16:11 ` Andreas Schwab
2019-08-15 16:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2019-08-15 16:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: bobnewell, 15012
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> I can reproduce it very easily, both in Emacs 26 and 27. I wonder how
> come you couldn't.
Me too. If I do M-: (read-char) in this Emacs, the echo area remains
empty. If I start a new Emacs and do the same, the echo area says
"M-:-", so... something I have eval-ed in this session has changed the
behaviour? `read-char' still points to the built-in function...
> I don't think it's a bug, though: that's how character echoing works
> in Emacs. It is even kinda-documented in the ELisp manual, under
> read-event.
>
> I've reopened the bug, but if people agree this is established and
> documented (albeit perhaps surprising) behavior, I think it should be
> closed as wontfix.
I think this behaviour should be noted in the doc string, at least. The
only thing it says about PROMPT is
--
If the optional argument PROMPT is non-nil, display that as a prompt.
--
and noting the nil/"" behaviour should be simple enough. (I guess the
changes should be to the doc strings of
read-event/read-char/read-char-exclusive.)
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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* bug#15012: 23.3; read-char inappropriate echo area content
2019-08-15 16:01 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2019-08-15 16:11 ` Andreas Schwab
2019-08-15 16:14 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-08-15 16:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Andreas Schwab @ 2019-08-15 16:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: bobnewell, 15012
On Aug 15 2019, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> wrote:
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> I can reproduce it very easily, both in Emacs 26 and 27. I wonder how
>> come you couldn't.
>
> Me too. If I do M-: (read-char) in this Emacs, the echo area remains
> empty. If I start a new Emacs and do the same, the echo area says
> "M-:-", so... something I have eval-ed in this session has changed the
> behaviour? `read-char' still points to the built-in function...
Did you modify echo-keystrokes?
Andreas.
--
Andreas Schwab, SUSE Labs, schwab@suse.de
GPG Key fingerprint = 0196 BAD8 1CE9 1970 F4BE 1748 E4D4 88E3 0EEA B9D7
"And now for something completely different."
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* bug#15012: 23.3; read-char inappropriate echo area content
2019-08-15 16:11 ` Andreas Schwab
@ 2019-08-15 16:14 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2019-08-15 16:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Andreas Schwab; +Cc: bobnewell, 15012
Andreas Schwab <schwab@suse.de> writes:
> Did you modify echo-keystrokes?
Doesn't seem like it:
echo-keystrokes is a variable defined in ‘keyboard.c’.
Its value is 1
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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* bug#15012: 23.3; read-char inappropriate echo area content
2019-08-15 16:01 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-08-15 16:11 ` Andreas Schwab
@ 2019-08-15 16:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-15 22:12 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2019-08-15 16:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: bobnewell, 15012
> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
> Cc: bobnewell@bobnewell.net, 15012@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 09:01:26 -0700
>
> I think this behaviour should be noted in the doc string, at least.
Fine with me.
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* bug#15012: 23.3; read-char inappropriate echo area content
2019-08-15 16:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2019-08-15 22:12 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
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From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2019-08-15 22:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: bobnewell, 15012-done
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
>> Cc: bobnewell@bobnewell.net, 15012@debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 09:01:26 -0700
>>
>> I think this behaviour should be noted in the doc string, at least.
>
> Fine with me.
OK; done.
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