From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
Cc: larsi@gnus.org, stephen.berman@gmx.net, 38044@debbugs.gnu.org,
juri@linkov.net
Subject: bug#38044: 27.0.50; There should be an easier way to look at a specific vc commit
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 18:34:55 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83tv6yzets.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <afc5b171-4468-5624-8097-ee2cce76446a@yandex.ru> (message from Dmitry Gutov on Wed, 20 Nov 2019 14:19:47 +0200)
> Cc: larsi@gnus.org, stephen.berman@gmx.net, 38044@debbugs.gnu.org,
> juri@linkov.net
> From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 14:19:47 +0200
>
> > I was talking about the VC level, not the vc-git level. vc-git could
> > have a show command, but the user of VC would still invoke a variant
> > of vc-diff.
>
> How would that even work? vc-diff will always delegate to vc-git-diff.
It will work if we program either vc-diff or vc-git-diff to call "git
show" under some specific circumstances.
> >> IMO the log message is more important because it describes and justifies
> >> what happened. Showing the diff is good as well.
> >
> > That's not relevant to the issue at hand. Like it or not, VCSes other
> > than Git describe a revision by the diffs alone.
>
> It's 100% relevant, and the fact that certain older VCSes can't do this
> should have no bearing on whether we implement a satisfactory UI in VC
> or not. That's the whole purpose of VC: make interacting with different
> VS systems easier.
Easier, yes. But also present the results in a familiar enough form.
If users are accustomed to seeing a revision described by diffs, then
this is what they should by default see in VC, IMO.
> >> Maybe the other VCSes don't have a simple command to do the same, but
> >> they can either be called twice, or use special formatting. For
> >> instance, Hg can use this command:
> >>
> >> hg log -r <REV> -p
> >
> > IMO, this is over-engineering. If the VCS developers don't see the
> > need to have a commands which shows meta-data together with the diffs,
> > we should not force that on that VCS.
>
> They added the '-p' flag. So apparently they did see the need.
Then maybe the hg back-end should indeed call "log -r -p", if that's
what hg users are used to (I don't use hg). What I mean is that we
should show a revision like users are accustomed to see it with the
particular back-end; jumping through hoops to produce Git-like display
where users don't really expect it is IMO over-engineering.
And I'm also saying that conceptually a revision's description is a
kind of "diff" operation, so it should preferably be a sub-command of
"C-x v =".
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Thread overview: 98+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-11-03 15:17 bug#38044: 27.0.50; There should be an easier way to look at a specific vc commit Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-03 15:43 ` Stephen Berman
2019-11-03 20:16 ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-13 21:03 ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-16 20:31 ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-17 11:53 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-17 21:20 ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-17 21:58 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-17 22:36 ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-17 23:19 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-18 21:31 ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-19 3:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-19 11:12 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-19 16:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-19 16:59 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-19 17:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-19 23:17 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-20 3:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-20 12:19 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-20 16:34 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2019-11-20 19:40 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-20 19:57 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-20 20:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-20 20:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-20 11:04 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-21 15:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-19 22:20 ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-20 3:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-20 21:50 ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-20 23:37 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-21 23:08 ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-22 18:51 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-21 14:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-21 15:34 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-21 15:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-21 18:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-21 19:08 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-21 20:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-21 21:05 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-22 7:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-22 19:59 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-22 21:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-22 21:43 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-22 21:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-23 13:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-23 18:52 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-21 21:15 ` Stephen Berman
2019-11-22 7:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-22 9:25 ` Stephen Berman
2019-11-23 12:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-23 13:16 ` Stephen Berman
2019-11-22 11:19 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-22 12:12 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-22 13:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-22 16:27 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-12-01 13:13 ` Stephen Berman
2019-12-01 17:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-01 20:43 ` Stephen Berman
2019-12-01 21:29 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-12-01 21:39 ` Stephen Berman
2019-12-01 22:30 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-12-02 3:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-02 10:39 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-12-02 11:07 ` Andreas Schwab
2019-12-02 15:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-02 16:05 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-23 18:50 ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-23 19:11 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-23 22:43 ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-24 16:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-26 23:01 ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-27 5:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-27 22:15 ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-25 0:12 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-26 23:06 ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-27 0:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-27 5:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-27 21:32 ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-28 3:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-21 23:13 ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-22 8:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-22 11:20 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-22 13:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-22 16:26 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-22 16:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-21 22:36 ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2019-11-22 7:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-19 15:31 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-07-19 17:14 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-19 17:16 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-07-19 19:43 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-19 19:51 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-07-20 20:56 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-21 21:44 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-07-22 15:36 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-22 16:14 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-22 16:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-22 16:38 ` Dmitry Gutov
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