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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
Cc: larsi@gnus.org, stephen.berman@gmx.net, 38044@debbugs.gnu.org,
	juri@linkov.net
Subject: bug#38044: 27.0.50; There should be an easier way to look at a specific vc commit
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 18:34:55 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83tv6yzets.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <afc5b171-4468-5624-8097-ee2cce76446a@yandex.ru> (message from Dmitry Gutov on Wed, 20 Nov 2019 14:19:47 +0200)

> Cc: larsi@gnus.org, stephen.berman@gmx.net, 38044@debbugs.gnu.org,
>  juri@linkov.net
> From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 14:19:47 +0200
> 
> > I was talking about the VC level, not the vc-git level.  vc-git could
> > have a show command, but the user of VC would still invoke a variant
> > of vc-diff.
> 
> How would that even work? vc-diff will always delegate to vc-git-diff.

It will work if we program either vc-diff or vc-git-diff to call "git
show" under some specific circumstances.

> >> IMO the log message is more important because it describes and justifies
> >> what happened. Showing the diff is good as well.
> > 
> > That's not relevant to the issue at hand.  Like it or not, VCSes other
> > than Git describe a revision by the diffs alone.
> 
> It's 100% relevant, and the fact that certain older VCSes can't do this 
> should have no bearing on whether we implement a satisfactory UI in VC 
> or not. That's the whole purpose of VC: make interacting with different 
> VS systems easier.

Easier, yes.  But also present the results in a familiar enough form.
If users are accustomed to seeing a revision described by diffs, then
this is what they should by default see in VC, IMO.

> >> Maybe the other VCSes don't have a simple command to do the same, but
> >> they can either be called twice, or use special formatting. For
> >> instance, Hg can use this command:
> >>
> >> hg log -r <REV> -p
> > 
> > IMO, this is over-engineering.  If the VCS developers don't see the
> > need to have a commands which shows meta-data together with the diffs,
> > we should not force that on that VCS.
> 
> They added the '-p' flag. So apparently they did see the need.

Then maybe the hg back-end should indeed call "log -r -p", if that's
what hg users are used to (I don't use hg).  What I mean is that we
should show a revision like users are accustomed to see it with the
particular back-end; jumping through hoops to produce Git-like display
where users don't really expect it is IMO over-engineering.

And I'm also saying that conceptually a revision's description is a
kind of "diff" operation, so it should preferably be a sub-command of
"C-x v =".





  reply	other threads:[~2019-11-20 16:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 98+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-11-03 15:17 bug#38044: 27.0.50; There should be an easier way to look at a specific vc commit Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-03 15:43 ` Stephen Berman
2019-11-03 20:16   ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-13 21:03     ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-16 20:31       ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-17 11:53       ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-17 21:20         ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-17 21:58           ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-17 22:36             ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-17 23:19               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-18 21:31                 ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-19  3:34                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-19 11:12                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-19 16:12                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-19 16:59                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-19 17:43                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-19 23:17                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-20  3:43                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-20 12:19                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-20 16:34                                 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2019-11-20 19:40                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-20 19:57                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-20 20:12                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-20 20:07                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-20 11:04                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-21 15:00                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-19 22:20                       ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-20  3:44                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-20 21:50                           ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-20 23:37                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-21 23:08                               ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-22 18:51                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-21 14:59                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-21 15:34                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-21 15:50                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-21 18:33                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-21 19:08                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-21 20:19                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-21 21:05                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-22  7:20                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-22 19:59                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-22 21:03                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-22 21:43                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-22 21:51                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-23 13:59                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-23 18:52                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-21 21:15                                       ` Stephen Berman
2019-11-22  7:24                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-22  9:25                                           ` Stephen Berman
2019-11-23 12:13                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-23 13:16                                               ` Stephen Berman
2019-11-22 11:19                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-22 12:12                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-22 13:04                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-22 16:27                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-12-01 13:13                                           ` Stephen Berman
2019-12-01 17:53                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-01 20:43                                               ` Stephen Berman
2019-12-01 21:29                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-12-01 21:39                                                 ` Stephen Berman
2019-12-01 22:30                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-12-02  3:34                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-02 10:39                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-12-02 11:07                                                         ` Andreas Schwab
2019-12-02 15:58                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-02 16:05                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-23 18:50                                       ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-23 19:11                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-23 22:43                                           ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-24 16:05                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-26 23:01                                               ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-27  5:39                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-27 22:15                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-25  0:12                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-26 23:06                                               ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-27  0:09                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-27  5:40                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-27 21:32                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-28  3:34                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-21 23:13                               ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-22  8:03                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-22 11:20                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-22 13:06                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-22 16:26                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-22 16:38                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-21 22:36 ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2019-11-22  7:40   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-19 15:31 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-07-19 17:14   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-19 17:16     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-07-19 19:43       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-19 19:51         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-07-20 20:56           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-21 21:44             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-07-22 15:36               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-22 16:14                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-22 16:25                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-22 16:38                   ` Dmitry Gutov

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