From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#43103: 28.0.50; Default ElDoc composition strategy in Elisp mode (eldoc-documentation-strategy) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 21:17:03 +0300 Message-ID: <83tuwlxqow.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87h7sla2gc.fsf@gmail.com> <83wo1hxx4c.fsf@gnu.org> <87r1rpigff.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="31602"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 43103@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca To: =?UTF-8?Q?Jo=C3=A3o_?= =?UTF-8?Q?T=C3=A1vora?= Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 29 20:18:11 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kC5QY-000888-SU for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 29 Aug 2020 20:18:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53680 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kC5QX-0000UW-Ci for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 29 Aug 2020 14:18:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46192) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kC5QQ-0000UA-GI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Aug 2020 14:18:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:37558) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kC5QQ-0002eT-7Q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Aug 2020 14:18:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kC5QQ-0002bd-3B for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Aug 2020 14:18:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 18:18:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43103 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 43103-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43103.15987250379967 (code B ref 43103); Sat, 29 Aug 2020 18:18:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 43103) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Aug 2020 18:17:17 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49104 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kC5Ph-0002ah-Kt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 29 Aug 2020 14:17:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:35962) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kC5Pf-0002aU-Vf for 43103@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 29 Aug 2020 14:17:16 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:56685) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kC5Pa-0002ba-B1; Sat, 29 Aug 2020 14:17:10 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4597 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kC5PZ-0003C1-ND; Sat, 29 Aug 2020 14:17:10 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87r1rpigff.fsf@gmail.com> (message from =?UTF-8?Q?Jo=C3=A3o_?= =?UTF-8?Q?T=C3=A1vora?= on Sat, 29 Aug 2020 17:07:48 +0100) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:186669 Archived-At: > From: João Távora > Cc: 43103@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca > Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 17:07:48 +0100 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > How will the proposed change modify the behavior in the use case with > > which you started this message? > > In the use case I started this message with, the user has enabled > Flymake. Instead of seeing only the function signature in the echo area > -- and being denied the presumed Flymake diagnostic "beneath it" -- this > user would now see both items of information in two lines of said echo > area. So the user will see both the function's signature and the Flymake's error message because the call's syntax is not yet complete? That sounds sub-optimal, doesn't it? why show an error message when the user is clearly still typing the code? > A similar reasoning applies to other situations with two competing > different sources of context or "at point" documentation. Currently, > even without Flymake there are function signatures and variable > docstrings, for example. I'm talking specifically about Flymake, because it reports errors, not just any information.