From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#49278: 28.0.50; Lisp Mode is for Common Lisp Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2021 15:37:23 +0300 Message-ID: <83tulfmsu4.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87y2asa6lg.fsf@gmail.com> <835yxwo7td.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="6858"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: joaotavora@gmail.com, 49278@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 30 14:38:13 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lyZTp-0001an-Ni for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 30 Jun 2021 14:38:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47866 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lyZTo-0004Xb-MN for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 30 Jun 2021 08:38:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48218) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lyZTe-0004Ws-4U for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Jun 2021 08:38:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:45143) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lyZTd-0005Nl-T6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Jun 2021 08:38:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lyZTd-0000L0-Rm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Jun 2021 08:38:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2021 12:38:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 49278 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 49278-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B49278.16250566461251 (code B ref 49278); Wed, 30 Jun 2021 12:38:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 49278) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jun 2021 12:37:26 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56689 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lyZT4-0000K6-3c for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 Jun 2021 08:37:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:50270) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lyZT2-0000Ju-Le for 49278@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 Jun 2021 08:37:25 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:36770) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lyZSx-00054K-DU; Wed, 30 Jun 2021 08:37:19 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:4317 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lyZSx-00034Z-2C; Wed, 30 Jun 2021 08:37:19 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Monnier on Tue, 29 Jun 2021 16:46:10 -0400) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:209162 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: João Távora , > 49278@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 16:46:10 -0400 > > >> (define-derived-mode lisp-mode lisp-data-mode "Lisp" > >> - "Major mode for editing Lisp code for Lisps other than GNU Emacs Lisp. > >> + "Major mode for editing Common Lisp code. > > Here I'd prefer to mention CL without un-mentioning the other Lisps. > > There's no reason to deny they exist or existed. > > The question is to describe what this major mode is designed to do. How do you suggest to do that in a concise enough way appropriate for a doc string? > People who want to look at Maclisp code (or other defunct dialects) will > probably want to use `lisp-mode` for the simple reason that Maclisp is > reasonably close to Common Lisp so it's the closest major mode we have > to offer, but the user should not expect correct handling of Maclisp in > those places where it differs from Common Lisp, because `lisp-mode` is > written specifically for Common Lisp and not for Maclisp: compatibility > with Maclisp has not been taken into account for more than 20 > years, AFAIK. Did lisp-mode.el changed significantly during those 20 years? did Maclisp change significantly? If not, we don't have a problem more that we had it back then, do we?